2011 FORMULA 1 AIRTEL GRAND PRIX OF INDIA: RACE *** Spoilers ***

I think this was an unfortunate racing incident. When I wtch the replay Massa looks right when Hamilton dove inside. Then Massa looks left Hamilton is probably already past what he can see in his mirrors, and he just didn't know he was right next to him. The mirrors are small. And Massa is also looking ahead at the line he needs to take the corner. Glanced in his mirrors didn't see Hamilton and turned into the apex. Not intentional, just racing.

 

You may very well be right as no driver imo want's to risk taking themself out of a race, I think the best stance to take regarding this is that it was just a racing incident and not deliberate and move on.

 

No Steevie, I think he could be a really good driver, maybe a repeat champ, IF he'd just get back to the basics. Stop taking the unnecessary risks and endangering everybody including himself.

I do not hate Looie, if you think that that is evident in what I have said, please excuse me. I simply do not care to see races decided, in any way similar to NASCAR. I would even count McLaren cars as one of my favorite teams, over the years, exc Ron Dennis.

"...Hence the McLaren was no longer fully alongside the Ferrari, but only partly so (Hamilton's right-front connected with Massa's left-rear as the Ferrari turned in). ..."

"...and Lewis was no longer alongside me...."

"...Of course Massa knew Hamilton was there - he had been fully(actually almost halfway) alongside him just a second or so earlier. But that does not necessarily mean that, with Hamilton no longer fully alongside, Massa was not entitled to claim the corner...."

"...Hamilton admitted afterwards that, as he realised Massa was not surrendering the turn, he tried to get out of the move. But it was too late.... "

I have said these things repeatedly Steve.

Regards,
Bill

 

Go easy on Krafty it's his b day

 

Steve, I do find this amusing, the only people that have referred to me as Billy, was my mother, my sisters and gangsters.

While I do respect your interest, attention and usual accurate assessments of F1, I do feel that you take the LH thing a bit personally. With me, it's not a Massa/Hamilton thing, it's a Hamilton/everybody else thing.

I think that he would profit IMMENSELY by regaining a form of composure under pressure. Not the shoot from the hip mentality he displays in his nearly hopeless passing incidents. He has taken too many bad bets and repeatedly "committed" to actions that champions wouldn't dream of in such regularity.

Regards,
Bill(y)


PS - Happy B-Day Krafty !!!

 

My god the two of you are like children on a playground argueing over the same ball, neither one is right and neither one is wrong but you gotta get the last word in.

Who best fit's this characteristic 'bill365' or 'kraftwerk' ???
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Nuh-uhhhh !!..☺

 

Classic reply, I salute you sir!!

 

Oh dear!....

I think it's evident that we're not going to agree who's fault it was.

The Lewis fans will defend him until the end of time and the Phil fans believe he was hard done by. Not even the journos can agree - I've read/watched some that are adamant the stewards got it right and others the reverse.

Bottom line, water under the bridge - Herbert (driver steward) said in his newspaper column;

I'm sure I could find a few counter arguments if I could be bothered, but I reckon it's time to move on....

In other news; Poor old Pastor is getting a 10 spot penalty in AD for using his 9th engine of the season. Apparently the gearbox breaking loaded it up and it can't be used again.

Finally, Virgin wants to change their name to Marussia. Will still carry Virgin logos but beyond that it sounds a little sketchy.

Cheers,
Ian
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95841

 

Hahaha Thanks Bill, indeed some effort was made in that post...nice one, your previous points taken on board as well..

Thanks Viz ..

Gregg .. ya bastrd..

FastIan, your right move on time..

 

You are a good friend, so don't take this personally, but I simply don't believe that statement.

I think you are a big Massa fan: You were one of the few people who adamently defended the FIA's decision to penalize Alonso at Monza (driving for Renault) for interfering with Massa who came out of Parabolica.....while Alonso was exiting pit lane about 300 meters down the road...

 

I'm neither a Hamilton or Massa fan.

 

Now Andreas...
I have no reason to lie. I make the calls as I see them and I do, in every aspect of observing life and all it entails, make every effort to be unbiased in said observation.

In the specific case of turn 5 at India, I see Hamilton pushing his nose into a position, on a line that could not be maintained at the speed he carried to get himself into that position, I also see him grab the brakes hard (as he has said he did, unsuccessfully attempt to back out of the move, because he felt he couldn't maintain the line/position through the turn) if he could have possibly made the turn, (IMO, there was enough room, but he was still going too fast) he could have ridden the curbing w/o locking his brakes and slamming into the sidepod of Massa.

From Massa's POV, I can absolutely understand, how he may have believed that LH was no longer there, after seeing LH "throw out the hooks" and "disappear" from his peripheral vision, in an apparent attempt to gracefully but unsuccessfully abandon the unwise inside move.

I certainly do not feel that Massa is among the greatest of drivers, but much better than the average. He, maybe in strong contrast to Hamilton, takes advantage of too few passing opportunities, being just a little more timid than I like to see, but the guy is probably still recovering from the ironically McLaren, suspension part, being lodged in his head. I do understand traumatic brain injury.

Sorry Andreas, but at the moment, as I remember, the last F1 drivers that I have really felt strongly positive about, were Jimmy Clark, Jackie Stewart, Lauda, Keke Rosberg and believe it or not Jody Scheckter (I loved his style and precision).

Best regards,
Bill

 

Brawn F1, not McLaren

 

As I said... I understand traumatic brain injury...

I sit corrected...

 

When did Brundle become a Hamilton hater? I agree with him.....this time. He's usually VERY pro Hamilton, as all of you who hear the BBC commentary will know...but he called it as a racing incident. So did Coulthard

Weird that Herbert, a Brit, sees it the other way, but maybe he is more pro Hamilton OR maybe it's Massa's fault.

As usual, none of us know anything.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/formula_one/15524661.stm - latest BBC info on the incident.
I agree with your take overall.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/formula_one/15524661.stm

 

Forgive me for not following current (insignificant) events, but I just read that Lewis dumped his skank and has pledged to get rid of his groupies also and focus on racing.

The rocky relationship with his Hollywood piece of tail alone could have led to some of LH's erratic behavior this year. I've maintained from the beginning that you bang girls like that, not have a relationship with them. It appears he's learned his lesson though.

Now I understand the long face at the Korea race...hopefully this will clear his mind and allow him to focus on racing. Women issues can bring down the greatest of the greats (i.e. Tiger Woods)

 

Well, everyone has a opinion, mine is Massa knew he was there opened the and door shut it, he hates Hamilton, and has the motive to hate him, thats the way I see it.

I can see it from Massa's point of view as well, but he is playing a dangerous game IMO.

I said a while back he should have kept his trap shut, instead of whining on about Hamilton, he hasn't and the fact is this feud has just got worse, this time round Massa gets the penalty. Personally I don't like penalties full stop, but I like hard racing.

As I said before IMO Hamilton has everything to gain making up with Massa, but what has Massa to gain from making up with him, IMO nothing.

End of the day it was a 50 50 call if the stewards are to make a quick call, they took the version as it looked, whether right or wrong Massa lost out this time round, its a sad state of affairs.

 

+1. Felipe's biggest problem is that he has failed to move on. Right now, it's time for them both to move on. In sports, you have to learn to forget the past in order to have future success.

 

Good, valid points...

 

Think nothing of it.
What are friends for?

 

Why should I?, it's a perfectly true statement!

Touched a nerve perhaps?