For sale in Padoa last October, by Mistral Dreams, Serial number: AM120-1258. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Thanks AMLC: The dashboard is that of AM120004, the green car is AM120024. 004 photographed on the Avigliana golf course near Turin by Gianbeppe Panico, the official Bertone shoot of the car shortly before the Turin show of 72. I have the negatives of the shoot which were given to me when Bertone was closing and before the company was more or less rescued. Neither this article nor the one I mentioned showed any interior photos of 024. There must have been a problem of some kind. In any case thank you very much for that AMLC! In other news I went today to France's 2nd biggest classic car show after Retromobile, Epoq'Auto in Lyon, met Mr G. owner of AM12050 with which he has given supposedly faster cars a run for their money on track. He told me some very good stories such as when a 355 needed quite a few kilometers on an empty autoroute to pass him since its top speed was barely higher than the K! He is definitely not a concours trailer and wax type He does not beleive that concours trailer and wax types exist just like they don't believe he does He is however restoring the car entirely now, himself, it will be blue instead of the original white, he is redoing absolutely everything and as I gave him the brochure for Khamsin Quaranta he said it gave him a goal to aim for. He is quite frustrated with finding the right rubber seals, deals with quite q good selection of Italian suppliers but they don't always send what they...should have. Also met Mr Lasartigues the President of the club Maserati France who will give me next week the list of about ten K's in the club to hopefully bolster the K count at K40! MS
Thanks for that Bellabarbas. Ex Steve Ahlgrim Georgia USA car, this dealer Mistral Dreams has had it for a long time. There was another K at padova a blue car, did anyone get photos? It was presented by an Austrian dealer, Peter Wiesner if I recall properly but I could not find a website online, anyone? Thanks in advance for any hints, Marc
Some details are different when you compare the photo in Ruoteclassiche with the pictures of #004 on this thread (around page 130), for instance the position of radio and heater controls (they traded places), the lever for the headlights, the area around the ashtray, the steering wheel. They must have changed these things while developing the car.
#004 has many differences compared to the second oldest Khamsin, #008. The interior is not even similar, if you check the details. What's interesting is that #008 and #016 has a lot of things in common, but also some differences. The early cars had other front seats, and other carpets, but also a completely different "B-pilar". How many cars that had these details will require a detective like Marc to find out, but if I know him right, this will be included in his book. Since #008 and #US1000 currently stay side by side in the same garage, we are able to compare them. #US1000 is the first US model, and is built in -74 just like #008, but #US1000 does not have the same seats and other details as #008 and #016.
A quick pictorial update of progress on #409. Cheers, Al. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hello all: AMLC and Marius: yes you are right as Bart also pointed out there are some differences but these were done on 004 itself if you look at the 2011 photos of it I posted in May or June here you will see (or should see) the differences confirmed. Oh and Marius I will do my best but make no claims to finding out everything there is to find out for the book, will try though Al: great to see you saving 409 which had been an orphan for too long and yes in need of serious help, congrats to the owner for saving it in your capable hands. Carmine welcome In other news 1114 (oro kelso, tan automatic) which was for years in museums in Germany has now found an enthusiastic owner and a good home in Germany and he is already considering a bumper conversion but must first put it back on the road as it has sat idle for some time. best regards, Marc Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
404 in front of factory 2011 best Rolf Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Al, that is really terrific work! I am full of admiration for you skills. What a grim starting point though; amazing what you can hide with filler and paint........on the upside, the brake discs look fine!! keep weaving the magic. Best regards. Mark.
Hi Marc... Excellent info on 1114 that it will be going back on the road... I know I will take a flogging for this, but I am probably the last (and possibly the only !!) person holding out on changing the bumpers... But, uhhhh, what's wrong with them??? It apparently is a US car... Mike
Hi Mike! Ah I see you are confirming your status as leader of the one man sect of US Khamsin bumper fans;-) I will say this: I like you as a person, I enjoyed the various meals we shared in Florida with and without your better half, you are a true classic Maserati enthusiast, of that there is no doubt, you are a pillar of conservation, preservation and promotion of the ethos of what Maserati GT car history stands for. However as you know we have very different view points, not better or worse just different. We once drove back from central Florida in your Mexico, a 3+ hour drive and after half an hour we happily fell silent because we had nothing to discuss...even though we were just about the only two Khamsin owners in Florida. You are a highly trained engineer you enjoy the technical aspects, your job if I recall properly is one of running computer systems for something very important. In contrast I still can't count, am so immersed in my errr.... not too well paid work/passion that I think of making money when the third version of a bill shows up and am primarily interested in these cars from a sensuous standpoint: how they are to feel at speed, to drive to dance with on a twisty backroad, be it here in Burgundy or elsewhere or on a circuit and how they are to carress with the eyes, the subtle beauty of their lines which is as delightlful to the eyes as a fine -not expensive: fine- wine to the palate. I am therefore more inclined towards the emotional experience of speed, of beauty and not really interested in garage discussions about the widget being fitted before the sprocket and what size screw is needed etc etc etcc whereas as an engineer you are more inclined towards function and it is well known that engineering minds have beauty, harmony of lines, of shape, as a very remote priority on the Zz back of beyond low, low, low priority list. So one's mind shapes one' s priorities. While you fail to see that the US version Khamsin is a visual aberration -and may well be the last one to do so- and are quite happy to show it at events oblivious to the wide eyed stares , I still can't count better than a 10 year old and hate numbers....so we both have a blind spot. No one is perfect, we all have qualities and flaws. Just think about it Right dinner time: good night! Marc
Dang, Well Mike if you ever need some consolation come on up to Ohio, like the Italian car Show in the fall, and we can park your American bumpers next to mine. I do have a Euro kit but not the time to get it done yet.
Hi Rolf, Nice shots and your Stealth Khamsin is coming alive! Does it really provide an advantage to the radar traps or do yo have to behave like a normal mortal and take the risk when speeding? Would like to see what other pics you took out there or did you only use the tripod to hang in to? Ciao, Bart
Hi Marc... I remember that ride in my Mexico from Central Florida well... But, at the time, I didn't own a K, nor did I think I ever would... The K was "dropped" in my lap a few years later and fortunately at the time, I was able to take advantage of it!!! I like to bring up the bumper issue every now and then just to get you going - It's a test to make sure you haven't lost your principles!!!! But also, I don't think I ever said the US bumpers look good on the K, at least I hope I didn't!!!! I will always struggle with what was designed and what was delivered with regards to the Khamsin bumpers... Right now, for me, the delivery wins.... All in good fun!!! Mike
Absolutely Mike all in good fun You are a fine custodian for your K and I hope you can help Doug R install his Euro bumper kit;-) Don't forget I had my car for 7 months before I did the conversion! Speaking of which Doug R is yours the white car photos of which I have seen arriving at Mid Ohio circuit? Would love to see some photos and find ot a little of its history, here or by email to me if you prefer not to post photos of it. Thanks in advance for any information! in other news I was able with some help to trace the other K shown at the Padova classic car show by Austrian dealer Peter Wiesner: it was AM120038, seen in the past a dealer near Modena. There is something odd about the interior color combination, interior obviously redone, though the steering wheel leather now looks comparatively tired. best regards, Marc Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Yep, That's me at Mid Ohio. This is the ex Maurice Khawam car from California, I've had it about 5 years now. You may know more than I about it. Maurice did a good sales pitch on it as listed in the registry #1024. Mostly an original car except for the headers and various maintenace items. I did the head gaskets when I first got it, they were just starting to fail at 20,000 miles, car had sat around alot I guess. Now a great diving car in "driver" or better condition. Right now I'm buried in the daily grind, might be awhile on those euro bumpers. As you know it's not a particularly simple procedure. Here's a shot of the blue interior and one of the speedo, got a few more miles on it now. Regards, Doug Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hi Doug: Thanks for the photos and clarification! Aha yes we communicated in these pages once before I had thought you were someone on the west coast and that this someone in Ohio was another unknown owner of another white Khamsin but you are one and the same in Ohio and not on the west coast so I am now slightly less confused (my natural state anyway) and have probably confused everybody else! You can be proud that Maurice Khawam had Marcello Gandini look at your car at a show in Los Angeles when he owned it, it is upon seeing it that he first discovered the dastardly things (humoring Mike here!) he was however impressed by how fast the car was when they went for a ride so you own a car which has carried its own designer! In my interview of him for the book he relates how he saw the bumpers on this K in Los Angeles. I don't have other details on your car. best regards, Marc
-Well I am sure your car is up to snuff Doug -Henrik in Sweden: The email I have for you just bounced back when I tried to send you the invitation for KHAMSIN QUARANTA: can you please contact me with your new one? Thanks! By the way, message to all European Khamsin owners and those on other continents who might consider coming with their cars: I have for you a fully detailed printed information kit on the event: it is beautiful. If you want it please email me the address you want me to mail it to. We did not print that many so it is only for owners, sorry. [email protected] best regards, Marc
I presume you know of this one Marc? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110767690226?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 No affiliation to the seller btw. Nearly completed the r/h 'A' post & hinge mounting box on #409..........phew! Cheers, Al.
Would like to know the VIN on this one. It's a early car with closed nose and old seats, but with newer "B-pilars" than #016. Marc, do you know? Cheers Marius
Hi Al: Actually I did not until just a few days ago when a Londoner who occasionally posts here told me about it: he is considering it. Right now I feel like a casino visitor having a good run playing all his pennies and winning over and over, the number of K's that keep appearing out of nowhere is just amazing The one in the auction you provided the link to is "inconnue au bataillon" as the French say I.E. previously unknown -time to start a new folder-. It is AM120178. It is owned by a Portuguese mechanic in London and was previously in las Palmas Spain, I had heard of a car there but never got further than the rumor; I don't habla any Espanol. I like the interior, very rich unctuous and apparently original whereas the repaint is supposed to be mediocre in person but that is not important. The engine bay is a bit sad looking but we are not in Pebble Beach it is all about what its mechanical condition is like and that is to be determined. I should be hearing from its prospective purchaser soon: he deserves a good car so I hope it happens for him best regards, Marc Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hi Marius: Actually some late cars have early noses and vice versa, we have discussed this in the past but basically: how come 040 in Germany, a very early car has the nose with vents? 160 in Switzerland and this one 178 in the UK have smooth noses? ...and these are just a few examples which COULD be explained as follows - I am NOT criticizing any of these cars just taking them as examples: sometimes there is no answer. -Accident damage repaired with what was available. -Accident damage repaired with what the owner preferred. -Modification to the owners taste: "I want the early style on my late car" -Modification to the owners taste: "I want the late style on my early car" -Factory assembly of early cars when they had no smooth noses left. -Factory assembly of late cars when they had no vented noses in stock. Close your eyes and take your pick. I have discussed this with Ermanno Cozza numerous times and the answer is somewhere above. There is no just NO formal solid answer. Remember the German equivalent of the Khamsin: the Porsche 928. Some owners of early cars wanted to make their cars look like S's, S2's S4's. Some owners of later cars preferred the early look....that's it. Now I am sure many of us would love to read your comments on the different typles of B pillars: plase share your wisdom: tack sa mycket! best regards, Marc
