Pick your all time perfect grid..... The Minardi apparel, Honda-Mclaren possibility and Kimi returning to Williams threads got me to thinking, what would be my favourite all time grid if all past drivers and teams were at their optimum ? Who would you love to see driving 2012 cars utilizing teams and drivers from any era ? Select your favourite drivers and your favourite teams. 13 teams, 26 drivers. Who would you select and what team would you place them in as drivers for 2012 if you were Bernie's CEO, perpetual FIA uber-God and then some... (ie; Fangio and Kubica in the latest Zakspeed 012...). And of course, they don't have to be celebrated as the best, just your particular favorites of both team and driver are fine. Verstappen and Trulli in the revised 2012 Forti will work ..... Throw in an unlikely chassis-engine combination if you're so inclined. If you're an F1 nut, this should be difficult but fun. Let's see what you come up with. I haven't picked my own yet (I'll probably have more than a few weird ones...) but I'd be interested to know what the Fchat Usual Suspects F1 crew comes up with.... .
Difficult!.... Dayum girl! Closer to impossible..... I'd have to set up a few of the all time "what if" teammate battles all down the grid; Say, Ayrton & Jimmy in Minardis (nee STR). Michael & Fangio would have to be in Ferraris. JYS & the Professor - Tyrrell or Mclaren. After that I'd *really* need to get the records out and start thinking! Great question though - This could run & run Cheers, Ian
Can you imagine the possibilities...? I thought it might be easier to design my perfect grid, but it's tough to narrow it down, isn't it ? I keep debating one team's merits over another and factory vs. privateer. The other issue I've run into is if it would be correct to enter two of what was essentially the same team, ie March and Leyton House or Toleman and/or Benetton. Hmm.. Drivers alone are difficult enough.....
Some of my dream team: - Porsche with Dan Gurney - Lotus with Clark and Siffert - Ligier powered by Matra driven by Pironi and Laffite - Brabham powered by a BMW turbo driven by Piquet I - JPS Lotus with a Cossie with Fittipaldi - Renault turbo with Arnoux and Prost - ground effect Williams with Jones - turbo Williams with Rosberg - V6 turbo Ferrari with Villeneuve I - Toleman with Senna - Tyrrell with Bellof - Benetton with Schumacher I
Or not!.... Seems you've more or less silenced some of the most opinionated and vociferous folk on here! Difficult?!.... Hell yeah! - I'm not even sure it can be done!.... FWIW, there have been 122 *constructors* over the years - This doesn't count customer cars in the early days (thru the early 80's) so I would guess can be pretty much doubled if we talk entrants rather than constructors. I also learnt there have been 857 GP's and 800 drivers (Danny Boy became the 800th at Silverstone this year). Data as of Abu Dhabi 2011 btw. I was going to suggest that we may be better coming up with 26 drivers and then plug them into the 2012 cars, but that's a *long* way from the perfect grid - No Matra V12's for example, and I can't have that! Then I thought only WDC's should make the grid but that would eliminate Gilles, and I can't have that either!...... I dunno! - Difficult indeed - So much so that nobody's given it a real shot in over a hundred views - Unless everyone is pouring over their record books right now. By which I mean Wikipedia of course - The F1 sections alone there make a donation to Wikipedia worthwhile IMO. I think I'm gonna try and come up with 13 teams first and then plug the drivers into 'em as I see fit. What a time sink! Cheers, Ian
Bernie wouldn't like it! There's only 15 guys lining up, and he can't have that! "Must do better!" Cheers, Ian
Ok, we can add in Patrese, Andrea De Crashres, Eddie Cheever, Ivan Capelli, and a few others. Although Chris Amon and Jacky Ickx would compliment this grid.
OK, my 02c in no particular order; 1. Ferrari F1-2004 - Michael & Fangio. Lets answer that question once & for all! 2. Mclaren MP4/4 - Gilles & Jimmy. Say no more. 3. RBR7 - Fred & Niki. Who's better? 4. Williams 15c [Active suspension] - Donohue & Prost. Both engineers. 5. Maserati 250f - Ascari & Seb. Should be fun. 6. Ligier JS5 Matra V12 - Black Jack & NPK Snr. Dunno why really. 7. Lotus 78 - Mario & JYS 8. BMW Kablamo turbo - Kimi & Mika. "Let 'em at it!" 9. Brabham ground FX - Montoya & Fittipaldi #1. Both damn quick. 10. Tyrell anything - Peterson & Rindt. Both super talented. 11. Vanwall whatever - Farina & Keke. [A quick pairing.] 12. Early Honda - Surtees & Lewis (! ) 13. BRM V16 - Hill snr. & Hulme. Another cool pairing. Now that would be one helluva grid. Cheers, Ian
Ferrari: J Villeneuve and Ickx Alfa: Fangio and Nuvolari Tyrrell: Jackie Stewart and Michele Alboreto Lotus: Rindt and Clark Benetton: Schumacher and Boutsen Williams: Jones and Mansell Brabham: Piquet and Lauda Ligier: Pironi and Lafitte Renault: Prost and Kubica Mc Laren: Senna and Hamilton Hesketh: Hunt Red Bull: Vettel and Alonso Mercedes: Hakkinen and Carraciola All of them off course with 1.5 turbo charged engines, wide slicks, 200cm wide and qualifying tyres. I think this would make an interesting grid ...
Ferrari - G. Villeneuve and M. Schumacher Tyrrell - Stewart and Alesi Lotus - Clark and Andretti McLaren - Senna and Hunt Mercedes - Fangio and Button BRM - G. Hill and Moss Renault - Prost and Alonso Brabham - Gurney and Brabham Benetton - Piquet and Nannini Red Bull - Vettel and Lauda Alfa Romeo - Ascari and Farina Jaguar - Hawthorn and Peterson March - Rindt and Hakkinen
26 Yuji Ides in Jaguars. Lots of crashes and a bad car which nobody is going to cry for when it's crashed and run by a big corporation with deep pockets to fix them when necessary.
Here goes my shot.... dream grid 2012 1. Ferrari - Schumacher / Nouvalari / Lauda 2. Mclaren - Bruce Mclaren / Dan Gurney 3. Matra/ Tyrrel - Jackie Stewart / Vettle 4. BRM - G Hill / D Hill 5. Renault - Alain Prost / Ayrton Senna 6. Auto Union ( Audi ) Reuteman / Cracciciolla 7. Mercedes - JM Fangio / Stirling Moss 8. Brabham BMW - Jack Brabham / Nelson Piquet 9. Lotus -Jim Clark / Emmerson Fittipaldi / Andretti 10 Williams - Alan Jones / Nigel Mansell 11 Bugatti - Gilles Villeneuve / Jaques Villeneuve
I've avoided checking out anyone else's list before posting my own, but now I see there are a few names that are recurring... . Never thought about the updated version of the exact car specification either, but that's a fine idea. Turbos and V-16s, why not? I wonder if there's a computer game where you could race your perfect grid and on your perfect list of tracks? Christmas gift for me that one... I went with as many nationalities as I could along with a few personal favourites I'd want to see next season. Might not be the perfect grid, but it's MY perfect grid. Surprisingly, no place for Mario, Shunt or either Rosberg (maybe they'll grab a ride when silly season begins...) and a few teams that are extremely creative thinking...have to think of paint schemes next...... No sponsor names for teams either, bothers me no end, although Benetton and Red Bull are naturals. 13 different manufacturers and powerplants were a must. 1. Ferrari -- Fangio /Alonso 2. Honda -- Senna/Kobayashi 3. Williams Porsche -- Mansell/Jones 4. Lamborghini -- Raikkonen/P. Rodriguez 5. BMW Sauber -- Montoya/Kubica 6. Renault -- Prost/Ickx 7. Mercedes-Benz-Tyrrell -- M. Schumacher/Hakkinen 8. McLaren-Peugeot -- Hulme/Hamilton 9. Lotus-Toyota -- Clark/Warwick 10. Brabham-Alfa Romeo -- Lauda/Ascari 11. Wolf-Matra -- G. Villeneuve/Alesi 12. Toleman-Cosworth-Ford -- Stewart/Vettel 13. Eagle-Ilmor-Chevrolet -- Gurney/Ginther
Well there is Grand Prix III for the PC. It was the last one that could be truly hacked, err modified. All those cars, drivers and liveries are out there. Problem is that the game only allows one body shape per season (same for the physics model).
And have them race at Monaco so all the cars would have diamonds in the nose. I'll volunteer and become a course worker at the first corner and inevitably become a very rich man.
Part 2 is the perfect grid sans WDCs AND WCC winners. Possibly less difficult, but a boon for Boutsen and Ensign fans....
Level of difficulty depends on whether WDC/WCC winners pertains only to one particular year or overall for the history of F1. In which case teams like Ferrari and McLaren are out of the equation. However if you go by year,then obviously pretty much all teams are back in. Anyway, going by the interpretation of never having won the WDC/WCC, here some of my candidates: Gurney in the Porsche Siffert in a Surtees Surrer/Boutsen in the Arrows Borgudd/Winkelhock in the ATS Regazzoni in the Ensign Pironi/Laffite in the Ligier Warwick in the Toleman Stuck in the Wolf Gartner in the Osella Nannini in the Larrouse Lambo Schneider in the Zakspeed Alboreto in the Footwork/Porsche Schumi II in the Jordan Kobiyashi in the Sauber Alesi in the Prost/Ferrari Weber in a Minardi BADoer in a Forti/Ford Herbert in a Stewart Kubica in a BMW
WCC has to exclude past winners no matter what year. But remember, your car can be anything you want it to be, even something as preposterous as a Coloni-Subaru..... Hey, wait a second....
How about Foitek in a Colani Or better yet: Simona de Silvestro in a Monteverdi/Chevrolet Swiss Trifecta!
