US GP in Austin Discussion and Speculation...

Simon^2 · Nov 19, 2011

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I am a big F1 fan, have attended several races over the years and would love a US GP. However, I do not see where the current engine manufacturers really need a USA race at all. Ferrari buyers will buy regardless and other than AMG, the average Benz buyer wants luxury, not performance. Renault does not sell in the USA and BMW, Honda and Toyota are out of F1 anyway. Unless Dodge, Ford and/or GM plan to get into F1, a USA race will not encourage any new buyers anyway IMHO.
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I agree with you completely RE the mfg.'s / and the engines... however, the sponsors would likely want exposure to the US market.

4rePhill · Nov 19, 2011

Is it just Me or is anyone else getting a sense of Deja Vu here?

Were there no lessons learned from the whole Donnington fiasco?

Lets look at the details:

1) Promoter announces big plans for an amazing future GP and MotoGP venue. ✔
2) Promoter announces big commercial interest in project. ✔
3) Circuit owners start construction work on circuit. ✔
4) Promoters and circuit owners have disagreements. ✔
5) Part way through circuit development promoters deny there are financial issues. ✔
6) Promoter finally admits to some contract and financial issues. ✔
7) Construction work stops part way through due to contract and financial issues. ✔
8) Announcements are made that race may be delayed by a year. ✔

Mmmm...., That all seems to sound very familiar!

Now the only things yet to happen in this latest case to complete the cycle are:

1) The Promoter gives up on GP idea and owes a lot of money to various people.
2) The race get cancelled and never happens.
3) The Circuit owners are left with partially built circuit that's of no real use to anyone.
4) Bernie gets a race where he really wants it to be. (NY in this case).

I'd say these two posts cover it nicely:

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Bernie must be slightly baffled though, usually he has to go to great lengths to get his "divide and conquer" methods to work and yet here he hasn't had to do anything at all!.

One thing that is for certain though, he's the one person who'll come out of this ahead of the game!.
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Second-hand car salesman...don't mess with em...
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Simon^2 · Nov 19, 2011

http://houston.culturemap.com/newsdetail/11-19-11-23-29-why-formula-1-failed-tavo-hellmund-bernie-ecclestone-and-the-clash-of-super-rich-egos-houston/

Tavo admits COTA was way behind schedule and couldn't be ready for a june 2012 race date.

houston.culturemap.com said:

Why Austin's Formula 1 failed: Tavo Hellmund, Bernie Ecclestone and the clash of super-rich, super-size egos

If Tavo Hellmund is to be taken at his word and there is really no reason not to trust him he is a reluctant victim.

Ive been working for six and a half years to make this race happen, Hellmund said during a 30-minute press conference late Thursday afternoon. I will do whatever it takes to make it happen this year. If he said it once, he said it a dozen times.

We dont have a contract because we have failed to fulfill our financial obligations to Formula 1, its as simple as that, Hellmund said.
Not that what he wants matters anymore. Hellmund no longer pulls the Austin Formula 1 strings. Hellmund is out.

Still listed on the website as a co-founder, Hellmund was paid a salary as a contract employee of Circuit of the Americas (COTA). His title was Chairman of the U.S. Grand Prix.

But Hellmund says he hasnt been paid by COTA in a couple of months, and is currently in buy-out negotiations.

Its all evidence that the rift reported between Hellmund and COTA is real. It also seems clear that COTA underestimated the power and influence Hellmund holds with Formula 1 boss Bernie Ecclestone. When COTA split with Hellmund, they split with Formula 1, too.

Even so, Hellmund says he hasnt spoken to his life-long friend Ecclestone in over a week presumably since Ecclestone canceled Hellmunds Formula 1 race contract.

We dont have a contract because we have failed to fulfill our financial obligations to Formula 1, its as simple as that, Hellmund said.

Now it appears its Hellmund's string thats being pulled. Sitting with his attorney, he described a classic battle of money and egos playing out on an international stage.

Its a multi-hundred million dollar deal between super-rich men dealing in the wealthiest sport in the world. One might assume that deal to be convoluted and complicated, but one would be wrong. This is the simplest issue you can imagine.

It's all about the Benjamins

A check for $25 million solves it right now.

"Theres a solution. If Mr. Ecclestone and FOM [Formula One Management] get their money, theres a Grand Prix next November. Its that simple.

Again, these are super-rich guys were talking about here not Hellmund but COTA co-founder Bobby Epstein, and to a lesser extent, co-founder Red McCombs, who probably blew through $25 million a month when he owned the Minnesota Vikings. Of course, the Vikings also had money coming in, and that's not the case with Circuit of the Americas.

This is the simplest issue you can imagine. A check for $25 million solves it right now.
The little bit of money they thought would come in the form of a $25 million check from the State of Texas (that amount is not coincidental), didn't materialize, and in fact is now off the table since State Comptroller Susan Combs decided the project was too risky, and the partnership too messy now to commit.

Combs is one of the Austin F1's biggest supporters, but she couldn't give the project any money even if she wanted to COTA pulled their Major Events Fund application two months ago, and haven't filed a new one.

So, that $25 million check to Ecclestone is not forthcoming because ego got in the way.

You see, Hellmund had the Formula 1 contract, but Epstein has the money. Somewhere along the way, the guy with the money always wants the power. Perhaps Epstein wanted Hellmund out as a power play; maybe it was something else.

Whatever the reason, rumors started drifting out months ago that there was trouble in paradise. Two weeks ago, major investors began suggesting the deal was dead.

Now Hellmund is out, and Epstein and the COTA partners are left with nothing, unable to get a contract with Ecclestone on their own. Calls to Epstein and COTA President Steve Sexton were not returned.

"These other people [COTA] came on the scene, saying that they wanted to do things, but that they had problems with Tavo, Ecclestone told the British Press Association on Wednesday. They said they had the circuit and that they wanted an agreement with me. I told them they had to sort out the contract with Tavo, which they said they would. They didnt.

Hellmund described his relationship COTA like a family families bicker, he said.

Yes, they do, and sometimes that bickering leads to messy divorces, as it seems to be in this case. But rarely does bickering end with the house being burnt down, which is whats happening now.

The U.S. Grand Prix is stalled out exactly one year before it was set to run on Nov. 18, 2012.

How could this happen?

The Circuit of the Americas track stopped construction on Tuesday, before it was even half finished; the relationship between the main promoter and the money men and the F1 boss seems stuck in neutral, and thousands of American race fans are left wondering like so many high-ranking racing officials around the world how could this happen?

"Mr. Ecclestone gave us opportunities for three months [...] When they ask you for payment and you dont do it repeatedly, over and over and over, eventually
It happens like this: Hellmund and his Formula One race promotion company, Full Throttle Productions, started this deal 18 months ago. It was Tavo who had the contacts and put the monied people together.

He also signed contracts with MotoGP and V8 Supercars so they would race on this elite circuit. "There is no facility in the world that can claim Formula 1, MotoGP, and V8 Supercars on one circuit," bragged Hellmund. "I've done everything I promised and more." Formula 1 was Hellmunds dream for Austin.

It's hard to believe that all these very smart, very rich men could not figure out how to get the money they needed before embarking on a project of this size and scope. But apparently, that's what happened. And Hellmund would have us believe he had nothing to do with the money. "My partner's role was money. I know nothing about that," he said.

"Right now we should be praising Mr. Ecclestone," he added. "We were in breach on multiple issues since as late as May. He sent numerous requests and letters that we were all aware of, of how to fix it, and we failed to do that. More than anything this project needs to meet its financial obligations to Formula 1. Its just that simple. We can put a spin on it, other people can point fingers at whos to blame. I dont want to do that.

That's good, because he might not have enough fingers to point at all people contributing to this mess.

The mess might have started earlier this year, when the race was originally set to run in June 2012. That schedule was far too tight to finish construction of the track, as CultureMap first reported last July. COTA denied it at the time, insisting the track schedule would be just fine.

Then, in August, 2011, the schedule abruptly changed moving the race to November 2012. Thats normal for F1, said COTA.

On Thursday Hellmund revealed the truth for the first time the track was way behind schedule and couldnt be finished by June 2012. Ecclestone changed the date of the race to accommodate construction. But Ecclestones patience continued to be tested. That pesky $25 million license fee needed to be paid.

"I think the thing thats disappointing is that the timing was just barely off. Mr. Ecclestone gave us opportunities for three months, literally, and I like to think that my relationship with him, although strained and tested now, allowed us that flexibility. When they ask you for payment and you dont do it repeatedly, over and over and over, eventually Hellmund's voice trailed off.

What's next

Bickering can lead to messy divorces, as it seems to be in this case. But rarely does bickering end with the house being burnt down, which is whats happening now.
Ecclestone told a British news agency that hes offered one more contract to COTA, a 10-year deal starting in 2013. He also suggested that if COTA got their **** together (read: paid him), by the end of next week, there is a chance for the 2012 race.

"It's all very simple, Ecclestone told the Associated Press. They don't have the money. We don't have a contract. If they want to come back to us, if it's not signed before the end of next week, I suppose it won't be on the calendar next year."

Hellmund, describing himself as an eternal optimist, says there is a better than 50 percent chance a 2012 race will happen, although he has no evidence supporting that statement. Im sad but hopeful, he said, his voice breaking with emotion, this project means the world to me.

Someone needs to jump on a plane, talk to Bernie, and get this done, Hellmund said. I asked why he wasnt the guy on that plane, particularly since he is the one with the relationship. Ive made that offer, he said. In other words, no one is talking to Bernie. If that strikes you as stupid, youre on the right track. Egos are in charge now.

Whatever happens, its clear this mess could have been should have been avoided. Austins Formula 1 dream turned into a nightmare for the players.

As for F1 fans, they are left out of the conversation. State economists estimated Formula 1 would bring $200 million each year into Texas, most of it to Austin.

While no public money has been spent yet, thats a lot of cash to leave on the track.
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Simon^2 · Nov 19, 2011

Here's a printed transcript from Tavo's thursday press conference.

http://www.racintoday.com/archives/31639

I find it hard to believe Tavo is so in the dark regarding all issues financial.

I also find it impossible to believe that he doesn't know what the current sanctioning fee offered to COTA is.

www.racintoday.com said:

Texas F1 Promoter Meets The Press
Saturday, 19 November 2011
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AUSTIN, Texas Embattled promoter Tavo Hellmund has admitted that organizers of the Formula One United States Grand Prix in Austin, Texas, are in breach of contract over multiple issues, specifically a $25-million sanctioning fee due for the inaugural event scheduled for Nov. 18, 2012.

Hellmund addressed a number of issues surrounding the status of Circuit of The Americas, the $300-million facility under construction in southeastern Travis County, during a hastily arranged news conference downtown Thursday afternoon.

The Texas project is fronted by Hellmund, chairman of Formula 1 United States and managing partner of Full Throttle Productions LP. Hellmund has signed a 10-year agreement to host the United States Grand Prix beginning next year with Bernie Ecclestone, president/CEO of Formula One Management and Formula One Administration.

COTA organizers halted construction on the facility Tuesday, claiming they had not received a contract from Formula One. Ecclestone, in turn, cited infighting among the organizers and the fact that the sanctioning fee had not been paid. On Thursday, Ecclestone gave organizers one week to agree upon a contract and produce a letter of credit guaranteeing payment.

Here is an edited transcript of the news conference, as originally printed by RACER.com:

TAVO HELLMUND: The real reason were having this press conference today, and not for a sponsor although I hope we can announce a big sponsor in a couple weeks, is that we dont have a contract. The reason is as a project, we have failed many times over to fulfill our financial obligations to Formula 1. It literally is that simple.

I was encouraged today to see some news reports that the door is still open for us to be able to fix that, and Ive also been encouraged in recent days to see that apparently all the fundings in place. And so with that being said Im really optimistic and hopeful that were going to get this done and were going to have a grand prix next year. The only thing up-front is that I have been very circumspect in my comments to this point, because I didnt want to do or say anything that hurts the project long-term. Any of you who have known me know Im a little worried, but Im hopeful because this project means the world to me.

Personally, I have been bothered by the rumors, when its reported that Tavo is holding out for money. One thing said that I walked away from $39-million. Im not money-oriented. If I had even a fraction of that, Id be in Tahiti working on my tan. Ive spent six or seven years on this project, and have earned a decent salary on one of them. But I dont want anyone to question my motives. Right now we should be praising Mr. Ecclestone. We were in breach on multiple issues since as late as May. He sent numerous requests and letters that we were all aware of, of how to fix it, and we failed to do that.

The final point I want to make is that theres been a misrepresentation picked up in the media. Maybe its been expressed wrong, but some people said there hasnt been an assurance of where it would be held. That couldnt be further the truth. Every contract is site-specific, you cant move it somewhere else. Maybe the move was going to be to Houston or Dallas? That couldnt be further from the truth. There have been 18 months of assurance for F1 to receive its money. The FIA has the listing as Austin, Texas. Theres no other place in the world it could be held but Austin.

Although Im extremely worried, as (fellow-investors) Red (McCombs) is and Bobby (Epstein) is, Im hopeful. We keep getting bombarded from media. But if we make good with F1, we can do it.

Q: Why hasnt Bernie Ecclestone been paid the sanctioning fee?

TAVO HELLMUND: To be perfectly honest, the money part has never been my role. I wouldnt have been willing to give up 18 months of my life on this.

Q: Who should be paying the fee, then?

TAVO HELLMUND: The partners of COTA (Circuit of The Americas).

Q: Might you be dropping out of the project?

TAVO HELLMUND: I think what I offered to do, a while back, was that there was a different philosophy of direction. We asked if we could buy my partners out. For whatever reason they chose to decline that. Instead they offered a buyout for me. That has been in an ongoing negotiation. But that doesnt deal with whether they bring the circus (the race). It was hard for me to agree to, as this has been my baby, but theres no one who wants to see F1 at COTA more than me. Red and Bobby specifically have spent a ton of money on this. Its not anyones fault. The project has been underfunded, but hasnt been done intentionally or maliciouslybut maybe thats not the case now.

Q: How does a project like this get off the ground, and then where does the money go?

TAVO HELLMUND: Like any project, there have been a lot of hurdles. Things like gas lines on the property, soil conditionsso many things that no one anticipated.

Q: Is the full money there to secure the event for 2012?

TAVO HELLMUND: I just know what Ive read in the last few days.

Q: Did you agree to a buyout?

TAVO HELLMUND: I agreed to one (Hellmunds attorney interjected to say negotiations have been ongoing for weeks but no resolution has been reached).

Im willing to do whatever it takes for the project going forward. If I need to step out, I can. Everyone involved wants this project to happen. The truth here, this project needs to meet its financial obligations with Formula 1. Its just that simple. The project has been underfunded. Thats not a surprise to anyone.

Although my relationship with Bernie is strained and tested now, he had allowed us that flexibility. But when they ask you for payments, and you dont do it repeatedly then we got the publicized meeting of two to three weeks ago. It was, You can pay this now and well continue with the contract, or tear it up and draw up a new one, or cancel altogether. We didnt choose to remedy the one in place. So he pulled the plug.

Q: So who were in the negotiations at that meeting?

TAVO HELLMUND: Me, and Bobby and a couple of other reps from COTA. Steve (Sexton, COTA president) was there. There were a bunch of attorneys.

Q: If youre the promotional F1 expert, what would your removal mean?

TAVO HELLMUND: I think youd need to ask the others. I know this, and I think Red and Bobby know this. If its all agreed upon that one needs to part, Im happy to part. It goes back to a difference in philosophy. Lots of families have bickering. Im hopeful all three of us want to see the project happen.

Q: When the race date was changed (from July to November 2012), why wasnt the date for the $25- million pushed back as well?

TAVO HELLMUND: One of the reasons was that we were way behind on construction. The race date was always going to be combined with Montreal. (Ecclestone) understood we had some challenges and moved the date. At the end of the day, the dates moved. We had a window with the major events trust fund, probably two to three weeks.

I dont know that it soured. Everyone has their own idea of the way something should go. You have to know how to get along and work the best you can. I think, even though the press has been bad in the last week, theres a lot of hope. Track is halfway built.

If Bernie and FOM get their money, (the race can go ahead). Its that simple.

Q: So how much money are we talking?

TAVO HELLMUND: I can only speak for the contract I had, the $25-million. I have no idea if its gone up.

Q: How much are you short?

TAVO HELLMUND: I have no idea. Truly, when I say things, its not posturing. I had no idea about the finances. Id heard it looked good.

Q: As the face of the project, how can you not know?

TAVO HELLMUND: Its not my role. Ideally, it would be nice to think someone needs to jump on a plane, get this done and make him (Ecclestone) happy.
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DF1 · Nov 19, 2011

MikeSRT had the construction piece nailed all along......'behind schedule'. That means money. "The project has been underfunded. That’s not a surprise to anyone."

BigTex what do you see happening in TX about this?

WCH · Nov 19, 2011

Anyone else find Tavo's interview amusing? Especially where he says that he offered to buy out Epstein and McCombs? I would love to have been in the room when that offer was made.

brian.s · Nov 19, 2011

I know Chris Pook has a big smile on his face.

Sellnit · Nov 19, 2011

WCH said: ↑

Anyone else find Tavo's interview amusing? Especially where he says that he offered to buy out Epstein and McCombs? I would love to have been in the room when that offer was made.
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Yeah I made an offer too, my college pals and I broke our piggy banks, they said they would not accept coins......

Simon^2 · Nov 20, 2011

Sellnit said: ↑

Yeah I made an offer too, my college pals and I broke our piggy banks, they said they would not accept coins......
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I e-mailed them offering to buy the COTA sign. A friend has a small go-kart track on his property,... I was going to give it to him. No response,... yet.

brian.s · Nov 20, 2011

Simon^2 said: ↑

I e-mailed them offering to buy the COTA sign. A friend has a small go-kart track on his property,... I was going to give it to him. No response,... yet.
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A good one to have alongside the USF1 toaster,

Simon^2 · Nov 20, 2011

Just set the DVR to record Speed Report and Wind Tunnel... curious if they have Varsha / Hobbs / Matchett on to discuss the Austin situation...

Axecent · Nov 20, 2011

Simon^2 said: ↑

Just set the DVR to record Speed Report and Wind Tunnel... curious if they have Varsha / Hobbs / Matchett on to discuss the Austin situation...
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And then there will GPWeek's article about the demise of COTA written by..............PW.

Yeah, him.

BigTex · Nov 21, 2011

DF1 said: ↑

MikeSRT had the construction piece nailed all along......'behind schedule'. That means money. "The project has been underfunded. Thats not a surprise to anyone."

BigTex what do you see happening in TX about this?
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We build starter tract homes on it and sell them to the illegals.
That is where we started.....

speedmoore · Nov 23, 2011

$100M plus spent by last August. I'll bet money on the fact that they will work it out.

BigTex · Nov 23, 2011

I feel the same David, that's a heck of a lot of cash burn to let a Sanctioning Fee stop the show.

But in case you have not chatted with a banker lately, money is "tight"!!!!

DF1 · Nov 23, 2011

speedmoore said: ↑

$100M plus spent by last August. I'll bet money on the fact that they will work it out.
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If they wait a year, and NJ/NY F1 goes well and the sad and bad taste this has left in people's mind Im not sure this will fly or be a big hit. Bernie all but saying its dead and defacto backing the NJ race as the preferred choice.

They need to sort this fast. The public has a short memory and F1 is not a sport that has permanent traction in the US. They will be climbing a steep hill.

They have done zero marketing and the news of late is all bad. Not a strong position to begin with. Id say in fact, they are starting over. The issue with the state is also a huge drag on this.

DF1 · Nov 23, 2011

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We build starter tract homes on it and sell them to the illegals.
That is where we started.....
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Wow. That would make an interesting Plan B!

Simon^2 · Nov 23, 2011

speedmoore said: ↑

$100M plus spent by last August. I'll bet money on the fact that they will work it out.
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David,

Not arguing, just asking... what is the source of that number?

I'd also be curious of the breakdown... any money spent on land isn't really spent. It's just money in dirt form, but still a recoverable asset.

I think it really comes down to,... is the project viable w/o the METF money?

They had money trouble when the METF money was guaranteed,... now that it's no longer guaranteed... the situation must be considered worse, correct?

iamthesimpleone · Nov 23, 2011

Simon^2 said: ↑

I think it really comes down to,... is the project viable w/o the METF money?

They had money trouble when the METF money was guaranteed,... now that it's no longer guaranteed... the situation must be considered worse, correct?
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No less guaranteed than originally allocated. It's just not going to be dispersed a year in advance.

Besides, next budget they pass, they could appropriate more funds to be put in the trust fund to cover any increase in Bernie's fees. All they have to do is have the tax revenue increases to back it up....

stever · Nov 23, 2011

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No less guaranteed than originally allocated. It's just not going to be dispersed a year in advance.
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Isn't the dispersal now(maybe before, too)a function of realized taxes from the event?

stever · Nov 23, 2011

iamthesimpleone;140998019Besides said:

You deserve a USF1 toaster for this remark!
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BigTex · Nov 23, 2011

DF1 said: ↑

Wow. That would make an interesting Plan B!
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It was Plan A actually, the TRACK is Plan B!!

BigTex · Nov 23, 2011

stever said: ↑

Isn't the dispersal now(maybe before, too)a function of realized taxes from the event?
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It's a little more convoluted than that.....as I understand it, it's tax credit to "the event" in recognition of "other sales tax" generated within the State.

Maybe someone could explain that better?

The trouble is that it will be diluted attnedance figures once NJ race is on line, but that would have been the case anyway over the ten year period.

Tavos deal with Bernie never had an exclusive "only one in America" stipulation, that has ever been mentioned.

Simon^2 · Nov 23, 2011

My understanding based on Combs comments last week are that the entire METF issue will be revisited if and when reapplied for. And that after the race, calculations will be made to create the amount of moneys that could be reimbursed. And that is if the event is deemed eligible...

The bigger issue is,... Combs seems to have backed away from this rattle snakes nest. She is a political creature,... and the political fortunes seem to have changed (at least for now,...).

As I've said before,... I don't know how any politician stands up and says,... lets give $25M of tax payer money to Bernie Ecclestone to get a GP in Austin when the taxpayers of the state of New jersey didn't pay a penny...

The tide could changed again, but I'm not sure anyone is willing to bet another $325M on it. (400M - 100M spent +25M sanctioning fee). The words, throwing good money after bad come to mind.

Now, could this latest squabble all be about Bernie trying to get a larger fee out of COTA than originally contracted to Tavo? Sure. But if they (COTA) had the $25M they would have just paid it, and not risked losing the contract. They certainly weren't getting a lower fee. There is no sensible reason why COTA wouldn't have paid Bernie his money to keep the project alive if they had the money. Remember,... if you want to believe this is all just negotiation,... this fabulous business acumen cost them at least $25M of state money this year,... and up to $250M over 10 years I don't believe for a second Red McCombs or Bobby Epstein are that dumb.

iamthesimpleone · Nov 23, 2011

stever said: ↑

Isn't the dispersal now(maybe before, too)a function of realized taxes from the event?
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Yes. if they went with the METF, the comptroller was going to be able to pay out in advance based on her projections of what tax revenue the event was going to generate...

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You deserve a USF1 toaster for this remark!
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Just because it is possible, doesn't mean it would happen. If someone is going to complain about "giving $250 MM to build a race track". Might as well, shoot for $350MM to build a race track; They're always going to complain.

Simon^2 said: ↑

My understanding based on Combs comments last week are that the entire METF issue will be revisited if and when reapplied for. And that after the race, calculations will be made to create the amount of moneys that could be reimbursed. And that is if the event is deemed eligible...
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It would be deemed eligible, because if they can't get the money in advance, they can apply through the events trust fund if they wanted to

The bigger issue is,... Combs seems to have backed away from this rattle snakes nest. She is a political creature,... and the political fortunes seem to have changed (at least for now,...)

As I've said before,... I don't know how any politician stands up and says,... lets give $25M of tax payer money to Bernie Ecclestone to get a GP in Austin when the taxpayers of the state of New jersey didn't pay a penny...
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I don't see where the controversy is. If they don't get the tax credits, they aren't going to build the facility; the State doesn't get the tax revenue either way.

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