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  1. toggie

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    #26 toggie, Nov 23, 2011
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    Thank you sir for the information on that car (#4385 GT).
    I was very curious about it since it was being judged at an FCA national event.
    I've never seen a Lusso like that one.

    Here are a few more pics I took of it that day.
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  2. Marcel Massini

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    #27 Marcel Massini, Nov 23, 2011
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    Just to make things very clear:
    4385 GT is an authentic 250 GT Lusso but with a special 330 LMB-type body from new.
    Nothing wrong with that car. See also "Cavallino" magazine #159 of June/July 2007.
    4 July 1963 sold by official dealer M. Gastone Crepaldi S.a.s. in Milan to the first private owner Cotonificio Valle di Susa S.p.A., Industrie Tessile (Textile Industry), domiciled at Via Senato 12 in Milan, Italy, price paid was Italian Lire 8'000'000.

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  3. readplays

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    #28 readplays, Nov 23, 2011
    Just to clarify, 4713GT is 100% a 250 GTO *and* can easily be mistaken for a 330 LMB- being that it has a unique body relative to the other Series I GTO's. Whether it is legitimately for sale or not is another question entirely.

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  4. Jack-the-lad

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    #29 Jack-the-lad, Nov 23, 2011
    Correct. Owned by Tony Wang last I heard. Still with him?
     
  5. Marcel Massini

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    #30 Marcel Massini, Nov 23, 2011
    He got it 1986 from Carl Conway.

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  6. Jack-the-lad

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    #31 Jack-the-lad, Nov 23, 2011
    According to Bluemel and Pourret, the car has been in the US its entire life (or up to the time of publication). I wonder if Chinetti ordered the Pininfarina body or it was just built that way and sent to him.
     
  7. 355dreamer

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    #32 355dreamer, Nov 23, 2011
    I'm pretty sure 100% of this "sponsors" ads are completely false.

    Call me a skeptic.
     
  8. 355dreamer

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    #33 355dreamer, Nov 23, 2011
    And oh yeah, I'll take a GTO. (the real one)
     
  9. 4re Nut

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    #34 4re Nut, Nov 23, 2011
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    Thanks all!

    Part of my skepticism was whether that was a real GTO or not. Happy to hear it isn't news just to me; I'm happy also to be wrong. :)

    Now onto the second part of skepticism...whether the ad is real...tick tock...
     
  10. GrayTA

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    #35 GrayTA, Nov 23, 2011
    I never knew that. I have over 6000 posts here on FChat as President Directeur General then. LOL!!



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  11. GrayTA

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    #36 GrayTA, Nov 23, 2011
    I am not of French descent though.....




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  12. of2worlds

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    #38 134282, Nov 23, 2011
    Is it possible that the car in the original picture in the first post is 5509 GT?
     
  14. Terra

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    #39 Terra, Nov 24, 2011
    No. It's 4713 GT.
     
  15. model builder

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    #40 model builder, Nov 24, 2011
    The body on 4713 may look like the 330LMB but it has a different wheelbase then the original 330LMB's since the body is fitted to a GTO. Piper and Gregory ran the car at LeMans in 1963, car #26

    In post #37 that again is 4385 when it was painted light metallic blue before it was restored back to its original red. Interesting car.
     
  16. Marcel Massini

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    #41 Marcel Massini, Nov 24, 2011
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    Post #37: These two photos are copyright of Godfrey Eaton and his book "Ferrari", published 1982 by Colour Library International Limited in Surrey, UK. See also pages 11 and 64 of that publication.

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    #42 shelbyelite, Nov 24, 2011
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    It was pointed out to me earlier today, in an email from another F Chat member, that a few of our cars ( not the car in question here) were on a website that I was unfamiliar with. At that time I said it was unauthorized and most likely a scammer. Since then, I have found out it was a site that a man named Ahmed is connected to and in their defense, I have talked with them on the phone numerous times and did tell Ahmed that he could offer my cars to his overseas clients. I was unaware that he had them on a website, but in his defense, I did tell him he could offer them. While having never met Ahmed, I have talked to him atleast 10 different times over the phone. He is a polite, well spoken individual and from what I can tell, does seem to be genuine. He DID ask my permission to offer my cars which is NOT something I have ever had a scammer do, so I think we need to look at this closer before calling it a scam....
    If anyone has any questions for me, I am always reachable by phone at 8709318004.
    P.S. I got a phone call from Ahmed waking me up at 3:30am this morning concerning this matter, otherwise, I am usually asleep at this time..... :)
    Anyone else interested in calling me, please call 8am - 8pm central time.
     
  18. Napolis

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    #43 Napolis, Nov 24, 2011
    I have been offered, by legitimate people, several 250 GTO series 1 and one Series 2 for sale recently and as is often the case a number of brokers and "brokers" offer the same cars for sale.
     
  19. rob lay

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    #44 rob lay, Nov 24, 2011
    thanks, just trying to protect the community and the community does a near perfect job of protecting itself. so far it does seem like Refined Marques is legit. so far only negative comments on this site and others is along lines of "too good to be true, so must be scammers". we can keep analyzing.
     
  20. 355dreamer

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    #45 355dreamer, Nov 24, 2011
    Rob, they have posted pictures of one off cars that are not for sale (the Bugatti for example) and others for cars that simply do not exist. (the 1 of 1 458 "for sale" that was posted as a rendering from an Fchatter).
     
  21. 4REphotographer

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    #46 4REphotographer, Nov 24, 2011
    I'm a bit surprised they don't have the P4/5 listed. ;)
     
  22. rob lay

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    #47 rob lay, Nov 24, 2011
    correct, I would like to hear about how they plan to back those up. even if the vintage cars are vouched for as the direct dealer confirms, the promises about 458 Spider etc could sink them.
     
  23. 355dreamer

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    #48 355dreamer, Nov 24, 2011
    I agree. I am sure you will do your diligence on this, but it looks fishy to me. Have any 458 spiders been delivered yet?
     
  24. of2worlds

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    #49 of2worlds, Nov 26, 2011
    Thanks for the serial number !
    Is 4385 the same blue Ferrari with that styling that was offered many years ago in the Ferrari Market Letter? It was of course a b&w ad back then...
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  25. Marcel Massini

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    #50 Marcel Massini, Nov 26, 2011
    Yes.
    FML Vol. 13 #18 dated 3rd September 1988.

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