Hi everyone. My 1st post. I went out joy riding today in the 360. Revving 4-7rpm on average After about 1/2 hour I noticed the following. Oil pressure normal at 1/2 mark pegged. Collant Temperture at 1/4 mark (pretty low but outside temp approx 40F) Oil temperture went from half within two seconds to red. The needle seemed sporattic depending on revs. I immediatly turned off engine and coasted to stop. Oil level was a tiny bit low. Added 1 quart. Issue persists. Drove home on highway to test. 4th gear 5k rpm After 3 minutes, oil temp jumped within 1 second to red. This time I shifted to 6th, and within 2 seconds oil temp went back down to about 40% I don't beleive my engine is running hot. My coolant temp is nice and low, oil pressure is good, and there is no possible way my oil temp can jump from 230 to 430 is less than 2 seconds. (is there?) Again, oil level seems fine and issue persists. 2000 360 6 speed 20k miles Thank you in advance for replies. Noam
Hi Noam and welcome to FChat, I'm sure you'll find it a constant source of reference into the future. Don't panic! I can confidently say that you have a faulty electronic issue, almost certainly related to the temperature sender. Once your other gauges are in normal you're quite safe. I'll have a dig around for you in the Tech section and see if I can find a DIY thread on how to replace the unit. Why not post a pic or two and introduce yourself properly? Best, Greg.
Hi again Noam, Here's a couple of threads. First one will put your mind at ease - seems very similar to your own. The second one has a bit more detail and will assist you in finding and replacing the part should you care to try it yourself. http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=336396&highlight=oil+temp+sending http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=204413&highlight=oil+temp+sending Best of luck!
Greg, thank you for the warm welcome. Where are my manners? huh! Here are my 2 ferraris. 2000 360 gruppe m intakes, capristo, hre wheels, challange grill, 6 speed manual 95 OBD1 355, bone stock, challange grill, just got wheel spacers. Only installed in front. Bolts they came with are too short - waiting for new ones. Will probably sell the 355. Get another red 360. I really like the 360's Thanks Greg, going to read those links right away! Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Welcome to F-Chat Noam!!!! As you can see this site is a wealth of information. If you are handy with tools, you can save a bundle of $$$$. You have a couple of nice cars there and it looks like a garage to match. Good Luck to you...
I concur with greg, likely electronic sender going the way of the ghost. replace and see if solves it. Don't have a sensor location for you...
Hi and welcome. Have to agree that it could be the sender but I would check the connections on it first. if you are saying that it appears to be tied to the rev or rpm level, it could be a grounding problem as well. Good luck but I wouldn't worry too much about it. They shouldn't heat up that fast.
Before you start looking for stuff and tearing stuff out you did check your oil with the car running right? Unless you are good at automotive diagnostics and realize you are playing with a very expensive engine I would flat bed it to your Ferrari mechanic. My opinion, your car! Docf
Here is an oil sender post FYI (see post #17 and #25) http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=320342
Thank you everyone for the warm welcome. I'll be looking at this ground + electronic sender over the weekend. Just to put it out there, here is how I got into Ferraris. My journey into the ferrari world has been just amazing. I have always wanted to track. I got a 99 BMW m3 which I adore purely for track. My daily driver was a Merc SL55 which I've had for over 2 years. It was time for a different daily driver. I went and got myself a Maserati 2008 GT. Within 2 weeks of owning it, I was missing the power of the Merc. Everything about the Maserati screamed "almost". It almost had enough power, it almost had good handling. I knew that Maserati was a compromise to Ferraris but for whatever reason I thought Ferraris were reserved for the rich and famous. Never thought to own one. The Maserati under warranty with 8k miles was at the shop for the second time while owning it for about 30 days. I was frustrated. I wanted a fun car to drive, and why did I spend all this money where I can't even drive it? So I saw a beautiful 92 348 listed for 40k while the maserati was at the shop and got it immediately. All I have to say is WOW! I couldn't stop smiling! The sound of the engine behind my ears, the handling like a go-kart on steroids! That was the REAL thing! A 92 Ferrari a hundred times more fun and exciting than an 08 Maserati. Within 2 days, I started researching for a daily driver Ferrari. Many professionals told me to "skip" the 355 and spend a bit more and get the 360. That sounded great especially since the 360 and the Maserati cost about the same. I found the 360 and had it shipped and sold that Maserati which I did not, and will never miss for one second. The 360 exceeded my wildest imaginations of what a car can be. All the sudden, the 348 became very underpowered. Going from the 360 to the 348 was a bit frustrating: "where did all the power go??" I loved how small the 348 "felt" but I needed an extra 100hp. So 355 it was. I found a nice one well taken care of and traded the 348 in for it. To my disappointed, the 355's extra 80hp was still not the same. The power curve was way shorter - 5k rpm and over as the 360 I have power at 3k. The steering wheel of the 355 is just AWFUL!!! I guess they haven't figured out how to make a sexy 3 spoke steering wheel with an airbag yet. So now, I'm in the market for another 360 - red. Just in case one is at the shop, I have another to drive. I might be hated for this, but I will drive these things to the ground. I don't save them for sunny weekends. What's the point? My 348 when I bought it had 17k miles. Within 2 weeks, I was at 20k miles. I like to be intimate with the Ferraris. Spend quality time. Lots of time behind the wheel. They will be well maintained, but as I see it, a Ferrari in the garage is not babied, it's neglected! So that's my story, if anyone knows of a good 360 6 speed let me know. Thanks again and hope that after some time, I will be able to contribute to this forum and become more of an expert. Noam
Welcome to Fchat! Good luck with your oil problem. There's a lot of info on this board. You have two beautiful cars and a very nice garage. Have you thought about looking at a Challenge Stradale instead of a 2nd 360 Modena? You say you really like the 360 and the Challenge Stradale is the ultimate "360". It's more expensive but worth every penny!
Great story and I like your philosophy about cars. Yes they are meant to be driven and enjoyed. I am going to get intimate with my 360 right now.
Great to hear your history Noam. Just one question? How the hell did you stay a stranger to FChat all that time? (Maybe it wasn't such a long time from 348 to 355 to 360 though?) Two 360s? As suggested above I think I'd be considering a CS model if I was going to DD one and have the other as a "spare" but of course they are quite a bit more expensive and might not be suitable for your intended use. Welcome again. p.s. Love the two cars and all that space in your garage.
I have been reading on this forum for quite a while. No need to post if issue has already been discussed right? ferrari dublin! I think I recall your username. I was doing heavy research regarding my 355 sticky pedal and I think you were involved? I wish it was the old grease sticky throttle issue but it's the engine vacuum issue. Driving me nuts! Yet to have been resolved - can't get a clear fix. The 360 CS does sound interesting enough, but I must have a spare. I can't stand driving my X5 when the ferrari is at the shop. I can't think of any other car I want to drive when the Ferrari is at the shop except - well, another Ferrari
I called my local parts ferrari service center. I asked for oil temp sensor. They said that there are a couple of them on that car. Then he told me the one that fails usually is about $40 and it monitors both water + oil temps. Is this the correct part that you guys think I need? Also, where can I located this sensor by looking at the engine bay? Thank you!
I'm a bit confused myself! From what I can find on the parts pages with Eurospares ....... Water Temperature sender is part number 180137 and screws into the coolant manifold which sits within the inlet manifolds - Stg£15 approx (cheap) Oil Pressure sender is part no. 135940 and sits right at the base of the oil filer - Stg£75 approx (not so cheap) I cannot find an oil temperature sender and suspect that it doubles with the oil pressure sender. I do not see the oil and water temperature senders being a double purpose unit. Oil and water should never be in the same place and capable of being measured by the one device. Anyone have more hands on experience? I haven't had trouble with any of these parts yet so I'm not at all sure.
FerrariDublin, thanks for the reply. The part they gave me is 180137 as you stated. I called again and they insisted that is the unit that measures temp for oil AND the water temp. I agree with you FDublin, how could it possibly measure both water and oil at the same time? So i guess now that I purchased the 180137 water sensor, it's time to find where it is.... As per it's location, I'm very new at working on cars. I attached of what I think it may be. If that indeed is the part i'm replacing with the new one I bought, it seems very difficult to get in there as my even small hands barely fit to even touch that area of the car. Makes me wonder how to even do a good old oil change, the filter is also tucked under the frame that hold the engine. If all else fails, i'll have the service department install the part for me when they do an oil change next week. It would be fun and nice on the other hand to do it myself. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Attached pics of the water and oil sys from Eurospares site...... Item No. 36 in the oil sys is the Oil Pressure Transmitter. Item No. 37 in the water sys is described as the Water Temperature Sensor. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hey, it's possible (indeed probable) that they know what they're talking about. I'm not at all sure and I've not been able to identify anything in the parts diagrams / lists for the oil temperature sender. I think that is the part you've identified in the photo. Perhaps with the parts diagram posted above you can confirm. It is indeed quite buried! Oil change is actually a relatively easy job but it does take quite some time to do it. I know the filter looks a bit complex to get to put it's not really. p.s. I post pictures from and refer to Eurospares site. I'm in Ireland and they're my closest Internet parts supplier (in the UK). Ricambi America (a site sponsor here) are perhaps your best people. You'll find similar parts diagrams, listings and prices on their site. Daniel from Ricambi posts regularly on F Chat and is very helpful to members. Have a search around and you'll find him/them.
part # 180137 fixed the issue. Drove the living soul out of the 360 and can't get oilt temp to over over half
Pretty easy, just change it out next oil change. Mine has also been rpm eratic since RTGT changed my oil. Pressure used to always stay dead center after the car warmed up. Sometimes I even switch to neutral when at a stop sign because it looks too low. Can an oil change / removal of the filter damage the sensor?
Oil level was a tiny bit low. Added 1 quart. Great news about the easy fix. You mentioned that the oil was only a tiny bit low and that you added a quart. Have you checked to make sure that you did not overfill the reservoir? Easy to do and not fun to deal with after the oil gets into places where it is not intended. You can easily pump out any excess oil before it causes harm. Jim
Thanks for re-visiting and posting the final outcome. That's the Water Temperature Sender - so it DOES double as oil temp then! Good to know.
