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  1. ken qv

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    Yes.. great video Emilio. Thanks for posting.
    That car sounds really good.
     
  2. ApexOversteer

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    If you will allow me, I'll test my knowledge of the Wolf cars, and I'm sure Joe or someone else will fill in the rest and correct where I'm in error.

    First was a white LP400, the S/N escapes me at the moment. It remained largely stock in appearance from the exterior, with the exception of a wing, mounted on the rear edge of the roof. IIRC this car was the first Wolf Countach equipped with the 5 liter engine which was apparently moved from car to car as Walter himself did. I've only seen one photo of the actual car, which I can't seem to locate on my computer, so here is a photo of a diecast model of the car.

    Wolf 1


    The second car is a Rossa LP400, S/N 1120148. This is the first full Wolf modificato, with the 5 liter engine, parallel link suspension by Dallara, black fender flares (spats), 345mm Pirelli P7 rear tires, Gold Bravo wheels and the "Moody" adjustable wing, all things that would eventually find their way to the production LP400S. Wolf then added personal touches, like the Lockheed F1 brakes, short shifter and F1 steering wheel.

    Note the shape of the spats on this and the next car. This first interation of the spats is the easiest way to spot the LP400 Modificato cars that served as prototypes of a sort for the production LP400S. The shape of the spats changed on the production variant.

    Wolf 2


    The third car is a Light Blue LP400, S/N 1120202. This car is very similar to 0148, except in color combination. It had all the goodies 0148 had, including the 5 liter engine.

    Wolf 3

    These are not the only LP400 cars modified this way, as a handful of others were created for other important clients like Albert Silvera, who ordered his LP400 Modificato in a dark Blue with Gold wheels, bumper, mirrors and windscreen wipers. Color choices not withstanding, it was clients like these and their special cars that just may have carried the factory through some very dark days.


    The fourth "Wolf Countach" is the Wolf Racing Blue LP400S, S/N 1121002, which some call the "first" LP400S. Indeed it was the first LP400S to begin construction at the factory, but possibly due to the nature of Wolf's penchant for special equipment, 1121002 wasn't the first LP400S completed by the factory.

    Wolf 4


    I believe the honor of being the first completed and delivered LP400S goes to LP400S 1121006, currently belonging to an Emerson, Lake and Palmer fan who adorned his Countach with the most excellent license plate "TARKUS". This car was recently sympathetically restored by Wil deGroot's place ExoticCars-USA, and looks absolutely sublime in photos. The photo below is pre-freshening. Maybe the owner will post a more recent photo. :D

    TARKUS
    Photo Copyright: PeterK

    Awesome cars, and all of them, as either prototypes or the first production LP400S Countach examples, represent my personal "Holy Grail" of the breed.
     
  3. joe sackey

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    Great job & thanks for the summary!

    Please allow some corrections or omissions, if I may point them out:

    - The white LP400 was 1120006. It was equipped with a standard 4 litre engine.
    - It is not correct that Wolf's engines were moved from car-to-car as erroneously quoted in the Coltrin-Marchet book. Both Wolf & Dallara have confirmed this to me.
    - No Wolf Countach had a 5 litre engine.
    - Per more recent correspondence, all Wolf cars had standard 4 litre engines, mildly tuned in the case of 148 & 202. Dallara is quite clear that the one 4.8 litre engine he did was that of the "dark blue last Countach we did for Wolf" (1002).
    - 006, 148 & 202 did not have the F1 Lockheed brakes. Only 1002 did.
    - 202 was dark blue then medium blue, not light blue.
    - 222 (Silvera) was medium blue, not dark blue.

    Hope this helps!
     
  4. ApexOversteer

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    Thank you Joe! It is sometimes difficult to glean the truth from the legends of these cars. Your post, as per usual, has cleared up some of the misconceptions and myths I still clung to. Always learning.

    So Joe, last time you posted a recent pic of 1002 I believe we were looking down into the trunk at some support structure for the wing... got any more?
     
  5. joe sackey

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    I cant post any current details. But let me say that the buttressing in the trunk was because Dallara determined that at high speed there was sufficient down-force to warrant the reinforcement. This because Dallara wasaware that Wolf drove his cars to maximum velocity whenever the opportunity presented itself, which in Europe in the 70s was often!

    You have to remember that Wolf was a person of unlimited budget at that time, and never did anything in half measures. 1002 was not simply some modified Countach. It was essentially a re-manufactured car by Dallara Automobili using some F1 components. Many systems were re-engineered.

    For example, around the same time Wolf commissioned Kremer to provide him a Porsche 935 K3 which his requirements stipulated that it had to be the fastest road-going car at the time. It was a huge undertaking and resulted in a one-off Porsche that cost a fortune! Let me dig in the archives and see if I can illustrate what I mean..
     
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    #11233 joe sackey, Dec 16, 2011
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    Better pic. The point being the Wolf Countachs were handed over to Dallara who had 'Carte Blanche' to develop what he wanted. Wolf would fly up to Italy from the South of France in the Bell Helicopter and check on the proceedings every so often. That is why 1002 was delivered late - because it was at Dallara Automobili becoming a Wolf-Dallara Countach.

    Some trivia on 1002: Wolf gave it to F1 driver Jody Sheckter to drive and he promptly broke the gearbox!

    OK, I promise no more off-topic. Sorry!
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  9. joe sackey

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    Still exists today..
     
  10. joe sackey

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    It had 740 bhp and terminal velocity of well over 200 mph...
     
  11. joe sackey

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    I cant post any current details. But let me say that the buttressing in the trunk was because Dallara determined that at high speed there was sufficient down-force to warrant the reinforcement. This because Dallara wasaware that Wolf drove his cars to maximum velocity whenever the opportunity presented itself, which in Europe in the 70s was often!

    You have to remember that Wolf was a person of unlimited budget at that time, and never did anything in half measures. 1002 was not simply some modified Countach. It was essentially a re-manufactured car by Dallara Automobili using some F1 components. For example, around the same time Wolf commissioned Kremer to provide him a Porsche 935 K3 which his requirements stipulated that it had to be the fastest road-going car at the time. It was a huge undertaking and resulted in a one-off Porsche that cost a fortune! Let me dig in the archives and see if I can illustrate what I mean..
     
  12. BlueBiturbo

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    #11237 BlueBiturbo, Dec 17, 2011
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  13. rgscorsa

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    I hope you break your promise, thanks for the photo's!
     
  14. 308328LOVER

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    Okay people .... we know where the black one is ....

    where are the others ??


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De1HlalKsXA[/ame]


    Joe might know :)

    Enjoy ....

    Tom Geer in Tennessee
     
  15. geno berns

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    #11240 geno berns, Dec 17, 2011
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    As I recall Tom's character was having loads of trouble with those 4 Countaches trying to get them Federalized. Later in addtion to the DOT/EPA Federalization process, a new fuel injection install is the way to go @$10,000 a pop. However the white car that just came off the European ocean going vessel that imported the car, already has that funky DOT US ugly front bumper. What's up with that?

    Geno
     
  16. ApexOversteer

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    Just be happy they didn't use 4 VW powered "Countach" kit cars.
     
  17. smglop

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    Here's the white one

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4wCkkMVpzk[/ame]
     
  18. BlueBiturbo

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    So the 4.8 litre engine on the 2002 is basically the same same the later on 5000s engine ?
     
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  20. joe sackey

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    You mean 1002 - that will require further investigation.
     
  21. raymondQV

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    Honestly I wouldn't be surprised at all...
     
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    #11247 BlueBiturbo, Dec 18, 2011
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    Yes 1002... sorry rusty fingers

    I'm quite surprised the 0148 and 0202 used a "normal" or slightly tuned 4.0 :(
     
  23. EMILIO

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    they very likely have more than something in common
    i think the Wolf 4.8 had more power and was more free revving than the 5000 stock engine

    ps: i also heard the first 2 countach LP400 modificato had 4 liter tuned engines....
     
  24. Maybe the flywheel was lightened. This will make a huge difference on revving. I've got an aluminum flywheel in the Pantera, big difference. It will rev to the moon :).
     
  25. BlueBiturbo

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    #11250 BlueBiturbo, Dec 18, 2011
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    I was hoping capacity increase, camshaft, carb, increased compression, lightweight piston, titanium conrods, headers, muffler, you know... the usual stuff :D
     

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