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  1. lavaux

    lavaux Karting

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    Mark,
    Before you remove the liquid will you try with a thin wire if you can find the little hole. Push the wire in and see if you get air bubbles out...and then the liquid running down into the clutch cylinder.
    Have a look at the new, dry clutch master cylinder to see where to find the little hole.
    Wilfried
     
  2. Portenos

    Portenos Formula 3

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    Can anyone recommend a ZF Transmission Specialist here in the US?
    Specifically someone with experience with the S5 17 and S4 17 Transmissions as fitted to the 3500 sires cars.
    Ciao,
    FGM
     
  3. billnoon

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    I posted this on another thread as well but will do so again here for convenience.

    Jason at our Service, Race and Restoration Facility has done many including two this year.

    You can also use their services to assist in the assembly and any finishing work on the 3500GT if needed. They completed two of them this year already.

    You can reach Jason directly on his cell phone or email here:

    (858) 231-7876

    [email protected]

    The shop is located at:

    11455 Sorrento Valley Road
    San Diego, CA 92121

    Our parts department can even assist with collection and redelivery if you can not drop it off yourself.

    Call or email me if I can assist with anything else.

    Ciao,

    Bil
     
  4. mfletch

    mfletch Formula Junior

    Nov 3, 2008
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    I replaced both master cylinders on the car and the hard line from the clutch master to slave cylinder. The brakes and clutch are now working properly. I had to partially disassemble both of my old master cylinders to reuse the rods that connect to the pedals. I was amazed when I took off the dust boots on the ends of both master cylinders. The metal was severely deteriorated. It was obvious that they never should have been rebuilt. The only way that they could have been made to work is if they were sleeved....they were not. My mistake was trusting the shop that did the work on them. They obviously never pressure tested them. I sent the master cylinders to them three times. If I had just pulled them apart myself and examined them, I would have seen that there was no way they were ever going to work.

    I was able to run my car through the gears on a lift and the transmission appears to be fine. It goes smoothly into second gear for the first time since we have owned the car. I did not drive it on the street yet because I wanted to make sure the clutch was adjusted properly. My friend Rafael, who owns the shop that my car has been at for the past three months, was kind enough to adjust it for me last Thursday. The following day, it was towed back to Brian Moore's shop for some paint work. Rafael was kind enough to let me work on my car at his shop, while using his lifts and his tools. I can't thank him enough.

    Unfortunately, a week and a half ago, a caustic chemical accidentally got sprayed (by person(s) unknown) on the front of my car, while it was at the shop. It was sprayed on the hood and nose of the car. I spent three hours trying to rub and wet sand it out. The chemical ate through the paint to the point where it could not be sanded out. I submitted a claim to my insurance company and I am currently waiting for an adjustor to examine it. Brian told me that the front of the car will need to be repainted. We both agreed that the only way to make the car look right is to repaint the entire car. Hopefully, my insurance will pay for the front half and I will pay for the back. I will be doing all of the unskilled labor, such as removing all of the bright work, to save some money on the cost of the paint job.

    Aside from the unplanned paint work, the only things that I have left to do on the car are to install the fresh air vent hoses, reinstall the center section of the headliner, and tune the Webers.
     
  5. PSk

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    I am so sorry to here of this latest development.

    Here is hoping it gets sorted easily and returns to looking just as beaut.
    Pete
     
  6. mfletch

    mfletch Formula Junior

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    Pete, thank you for the kind words. I am disappointed that the car will no longer be considered "preserved". I have always had a hard time ignoring the door dings and other imperfections in the bodywork and paint....otherwise known as "patina". Brian Moore is an artist when it comes to paint and bodywork. I have no doubt that when he is finished, the car will look much better than it did before the paint was damaged.
    I will need to restore the wheels, since the car is going to be repainted. I would appreciate any advice on how the restore them myself.....such as: the correct color to paint the centers and how to go about polishing the outer alloy rim. I will be having some of the chrome replated, especially the parts that are difficult to remove (grille surround, and all of the trim around the tail lights, head lights, fog lights, and turn signals).
     
  7. Il Vecchio

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    D*mn. So sorry to read this. :(
     
  8. marcflorie

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    Nice solution, but for someone (in the future) who likes to have it originally, this link may help: http://www.partscollector.com/eng/parti2010.asp?id_articolo=1323.
    I don't know the costs, but it very much looks like the original one.
    Good luck on your very nice 3500!
    Marc Florie
     
  9. mfletch

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    #459 mfletch, Jan 12, 2012
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    Peter, thank you. I am sad to lose the original paint. The only solution that makes sense, at this point, is to paint the entire car. I just got the "ok" from my insurance. We start the work tomorrow. On the positive side, I really enjoy getting to hang out with Brian Moore. He is a master at his craft. He painted my Rover & Porsche last year and I got to help him. I hope that some of his knowledge rubs off on me.

    Marc, thanks for the link to the solenoid. It is a difficult part to find. I will pass that information on to the next owner.
     
  10. lavaux

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    Hi Mark,
    I am still very much puzzled. If the cylinders are strongly deteriorated (scratched etc), and you got liquide in the cylinders, then the liquid will leak out to the rear. When you remove the "dust" protections, they will be full of brak liquid. Were they dry? Were the cylinders full of liquid?
    Wilfried
     
  11. mfletch

    mfletch Formula Junior

    Nov 3, 2008
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    Hi Wilfried, Happy New Year! Thanks again for all of your help over the past three years. When I go to the paint shop on Tuesday, to finish stripping the brightwork off the car, I will take pictures of the car and master cylinders. There was no brake fluid in the area behind the boot. The cylinders had a rough finish on the bores and the aluminum on the end was disentigrating. The owner of the shop took one look at them and told me that it was no wonder that they did not work. The brake master bled, but would not hold pressure. The clutch master never bled. As soon as I installed the new masters, they both bled perfectly. The clutch and brake systems work fine. I still need to adjust the carbs. The car starts with difficulty and does not want to stay running. I saw that the fuel pressure was low, when I was working on it Friday (1.5 lbs.). I will adjust it back up to 2.5 lbs, before I try to synchronize the Webers.
     
  12. lavaux

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    Hi Mark,
    Happy New Year to you too!
    I have just received a set of Polyurethan bushes for the front suspension. The visible rubber was all cracked: I think the invisible part is no good any more. I hope the two kits are ok for my 3500GT: actually they are for the Jaguar Mk2. I have read that the suspensions are the same on both cars. Let us see.
    Looking forward to see the pictures!
    Wilfried
     
  13. mfletch

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  14. velocetwo

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    I will have to stop by to see the work in progress
     
  15. Il Vecchio

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    246 GT?
     
  16. mfletch

    mfletch Formula Junior

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    velocetwo, I hope I get to meet you. If I am not there, don't be shy about lifting the hood.

    Il Vecchio, I am impressed. I thought that might be difficult because it is stripped apart and there is so little showing. I think the Dino coupe is one of the most beautiful cars of all time.
     
  17. Il Vecchio

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    #467 Il Vecchio, Jan 18, 2012
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    Well, it's a favorite of mine, too!

    Once I win the lottery I will buy an F50 and do a "P4/5", but instead recreate the Dino's daddy #8971! :)
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  18. mfletch

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    Il Vecchio, good luck on the lottery.

    Here are a couple pictures from today. My 17 year old son is in the background of the first picture. He put in about eight hours on the Maserati in the past two days. I am lucky to have such a great helper. Tomorrow I will remove the door handles and windshield wipers. We are not removing the windows, so I am almost done with disassembly.

    It is amazing how plain the car looks without all the bright work. The stainless steel trim pieces, that run the length of the rear fenders, really make a huge difference in the appearance of the car.

    My car is in good company, as evidenced by the last two pictures.
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  19. velocetwo

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  20. mfletch

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    I have seen that Iso before...it turned out gorgeous.
     
  21. Portenos

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    Can you explain how you removed the stainless from the top of the rear fenders?
    Where are the fasteners? and how do you reach them?
    Ciao,
    FGM
     
  22. mfletch

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    #472 mfletch, Jan 19, 2012
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    Hi Frank, the stainless steel strips were attached via studs that are soldered to the bottom of the strips and protrude through the tops of the fenders. There are 5 per side. The furthest to the front is accessed through the top of the wheel well. The remainder are accessed from inside the trunk. The passender side can be accessed through the battery compartment. The driver side studs/nuts are easy to see and remove from the trunk. The studs had a single washer and 7mm nut securing them to the fender. The nuts/studs had putty on the top and bottom of the fender. The putty must be removed, before you can see the nuts. I can take pictures of them tomorrow, if you like.
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  23. Portenos

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    That would be great. I would love to see the photos.
    Thank you very much Mark
    FGM
     
  24. thecarnut

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    You may want to consider removing the front and rear glass. I know it is a pain but now would be the time to do it. I assume the rubber is old and will stand out once the new paint is applied. I know ... it never stops.

    Ivan
     
  25. lavaux

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    Hi Mark,
    I agree with Ivans remark: the people here in Europe always lift a bit the rubber at the screens to see if the repainting has been done "right". They consider not removing the rubber as a botch. As you probably want to sell the car one day (perhaps to a meticulous buyer) it may be worth doing the job "right".
    Wilfried
     

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