2012 sporting reg change re defending the "racing line".... | FerrariChat

2012 sporting reg change re defending the "racing line"....

Discussion in 'F1' started by Fast_ian, Dec 26, 2011.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2006
    Messages:
    23,397
    Location:
    Campbell, CA
    Full Name:
    Ian Anderson
    Hey,

    I think someone mentioned this little rule change a while back, but watch'a reckon on this;

    I'm delighted that the FIA can still write good English - "moved off it", *not* "moved off of it" ;) But, I'm not sure how that's gonna work......

    If I defend my position successfully, surely I must then be allowed to return to the racing line subsequently (?)

    ;)

    Cheers,
    Ian
    EDIT; http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/sporting_regulations/12877/fia.html
     
    Last edited: Dec 26, 2011
  2. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

    Joined:
    May 12, 2007
    Messages:
    26,826
    Location:
    England North West
    Full Name:
    Steve
    I reckon that is going to keep CW a very busy man.

    Move off the racing line to defend, and you have to stay on the dirty stuff, not worth the risk IMO.

    Maybe we will lose a lot of battles. I'm sure it will please some drivers and not so much others.

    It is rather a major rule change that.
     
  3. racerx3317

    racerx3317 F1 Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2004
    Messages:
    5,701
    Location:
    New York, NY
    Full Name:
    Luis
    That rule is gonna end up turning into a pissing match. The FIA should stay out of the actual racing because they have no clue. They should either have the one move to defend your position like Indycar or just tell all the drivers, have at it and do what you want just don't make contact with another car or kill yourselves. MS will probably earn himself a lifetime ban as much as he moves over on people.....:D
     
  4. mousecatcher

    mousecatcher Formula 3

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2007
    Messages:
    2,116
    Location:
    san mateo, ca
    Indycar does not have a one-move rule, they have no moves. You must always drive the racing line, you cannot defend.
     
  5. LightGuy

    LightGuy Four Time F1 World Champ Silver Subscribed

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2004
    Messages:
    45,620
    Location:
    Texas
    Full Name:
    David
    In F1 its hard enough to pass as is. Even with DRS.
    No moves is the way it should be.
    Sooner or later Vettel, MS, etc is going to push someone into a barrier end and the s will hit the fan.
     
  6. maulaf

    maulaf Formula 3

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2011
    Messages:
    1,422
    Location:
    Cape Town
    Fully agree! I also think they should abolish more than 1 car on track at the same time and only give points for the fastest lap. I can't see that rule working and fear that whole thing is becoming more and more synthetic, taking away the individual character of the race drivers. They will all look like the same when they are not allowed to battle any more.
     
  7. Papa G

    Papa G Formula 3

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2003
    Messages:
    1,406
    What's going to happen at the start of the race when they all jockey for position as the enter turn 1?

    Mulitple infractions?
     
  8. DM18

    DM18 F1 Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2005
    Messages:
    4,725
    Location:
    Hong Kong
    There is no racing line on the way to turn 1. How can there be when cars are starting off of the racing line as it would be on a flying lap
     
  9. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2005
    Messages:
    23,476
    Location:
    KL, Malaysia
    Full Name:
    MC Cool Breeze
    They should have wider tracks. And drop Hungary. And Valencia. And Singapore.
     
  10. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2002
    Messages:
    17,673
    Location:
    Tauranga, NZ
    Full Name:
    Pete
    I think you should be able to defend your position ... it is racing after all.

    Pete
     
  11. TifosiUSA

    TifosiUSA F1 Veteran

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2007
    Messages:
    8,468
    Location:
    Kansas City, MO
    Full Name:
    DJ
    I agree unless you're being ridiculous about it. I thought last year's rules seemed OK. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
     
  12. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2002
    Messages:
    17,673
    Location:
    Tauranga, NZ
    Full Name:
    Pete
    +1.

    Pete
     
  13. mousecatcher

    mousecatcher Formula 3

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2007
    Messages:
    2,116
    Location:
    san mateo, ca
    I'm not sure what the hubbub is. To me it's a non-issue.

    Cars typically pass on the inside/passing/dirty line, so being forced to stay there after defending isn't a big deal.

    The rule promotes passing as I see it, while still allowing drivers to put up a reasonable defense.
     
  14. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2006
    Messages:
    23,397
    Location:
    Campbell, CA
    Full Name:
    Ian Anderson
    You absolutely can defend your position.

    But, seems that having done so, you can no longer move back onto the racing line!

    I assume you can move back if your opponent isn't already there though.....;)

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  15. Far Out

    Far Out F1 Veteran

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2007
    Messages:
    9,768
    Location:
    Stuttgart, Germany
    Full Name:
    Florian
    And WHEN are you allowed to move back into the racing line? Or do you have to avoid it at all cost until the end of the race? ;)
     
  16. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2002
    Messages:
    17,673
    Location:
    Tauranga, NZ
    Full Name:
    Pete
    Well to block a pass you only have to move say 1/4 of a car inside of the racing line, as then the following car will believe you are going to block, and it is all about faking ...

    But they are making the rules too complex.
    Pete
     
  17. ProCoach

    ProCoach F1 Veteran Owner

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2004
    Messages:
    5,465
    Location:
    VIR Raceway
    Full Name:
    Peter Krause
    +1

    Sounds good to me.
     
  18. ProCoach

    ProCoach F1 Veteran Owner

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2004
    Messages:
    5,465
    Location:
    VIR Raceway
    Full Name:
    Peter Krause
    After the opportunity to pass has been completed.

    C'mon, this is just making drivers have to think ahead a little more. THAT'S the issue...
     
  19. Neonzapper

    Neonzapper F1 Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    Messages:
    2,580
    Location:
    MD/FL/Philippines
    Full Name:
    Mykol
    I almost feel this rule was personally written for Lewis Hamilton.
     
  20. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

    Joined:
    May 12, 2007
    Messages:
    26,826
    Location:
    England North West
    Full Name:
    Steve
    Hahaha I was waiting for it, that's why earlier I posted it will suit some not others.
     
  21. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

    Joined:
    May 12, 2007
    Messages:
    26,826
    Location:
    England North West
    Full Name:
    Steve
    I don't know about more complex, I think in a way it is making it easier to verify.

    As it was they were allowed one block move and back again, this way you move to block and you stay put.

    Your right about the dummy block though, because most drivers try to do a switch back, but I reckon now most drivers will assume the leading driver will stay on the racing line.
     
  22. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2008
    Messages:
    42,726
    Location:
    ESP
    Full Name:
    Bas
    +1

    Otherwise we would not have had the MSC - Hamilton battle in Monza, which was great to see....

    There where many others.
     
  23. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2007
    Messages:
    30,148
    Location:
    FRA - nice city with a really big airport :)
    +2 its not traffic management in a city!! Let them race its what we want and what they are paid to do.
     
  24. mousecatcher

    mousecatcher Formula 3

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2007
    Messages:
    2,116
    Location:
    san mateo, ca
    I disagree. It's just "clarifying" (lol) the one-move rule. One move, not one move and move back.
     
  25. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

    Joined:
    May 12, 2007
    Messages:
    26,826
    Location:
    England North West
    Full Name:
    Steve
    You mean where he got warned twice by CW he was more than blocking.

    That's why this rule has been highlighted and adjusted, IMO.

    MS can add a team order rule and a overtaking FIA rule adjustment, to his CV...;)
     

Share This Page