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Pumped up 400i engine in Autoweek for $45K

Discussion in '365 GT4 2+2/400/412' started by Steve Magnusson, Dec 24, 2011.

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  1. Steve Magnusson

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    #1 Steve Magnusson, Dec 24, 2011
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  2. koisokok

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    wow, that looks sweet!
     
  3. vespasian

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    Well, under your link there's only a picture posted - that's all?!
     
  4. 2NA

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    Looks like it's from a 365 GTC/4.
     
  5. Steve Magnusson

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    Here's the ad from Autoweek:

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    No affiliation -- just thought it a good example of how hot-rodding these engines by replacing the mechanical parts is a big $ proposition.
     
  6. open roads

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    It's going to need more pumping to make anywhere near that price IMO.

    Nice to see though.

    Hmmm...
     
  7. WILLIAM H

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    Projected to be around 425-475?! How about getting it on an engine dyno and tuning before asking this kind of $$..
     
  9. WILLIAM H

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    LOL, you can buy a 650hp dynod LS7 for $35k

    A fool & there $ are soon parted
     
  10. CornersWell

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    Apples and oranges...

    CW
     
  11. judge4re

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    I was thinking more apples and footballs...
     
  12. ricar116

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    Sounds like fun! Bet Norwood would hook you up on a pumper.Is this project different from the convertible?
     
  13. Steve Magnusson

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    OK -- let's work this the other way around -- what should the price be in your opinion? Assume a completely fresh rebuilt 400i engine + rods + pistons + cams + carbs/intake + maybe some headwork. I agree that it's not like there's a lot of demand for such an item, but can't believe that much less than $40K would leave a reasonable profit for all the labor/hassle -- JMO...
     
  14. blkprlz

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    +1
     
  15. WILLIAM H

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    its quite the white elephant. Who the H is going to buy that ? You can probably get a 550 or 575 engine for that $ and have the same or more power except its reliable
     
  16. 95spiderman

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    pricing for this engine is similar as it is for the whole car. ferrari car $300k/vette $100 and engines $45k/$15k.

    isnt there a ferrari racing series that will allow cars with ferrari motors? that could be the motivation for this type of project.
     
  17. It's Ross

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    My guess is the seller has parts on hand to build it as described but it's not going to get done unless a buyer steps up first. Slim chance of that but if you don't ask...

    Getting the quoted horsepower is probably going to require turning the engine a bunch faster, not conducive to long life.

    $45k can certainly buy lots more horsepower in other forms but if you must have a Ferrari V12 your choices are limited so maybe someone will buy it and prove me wrong.
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  18. pma1010

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    I think you'd have to get pretty specific to see what's been done to it to recognize if the money made sense.

    For example, a race winning [Lotus] twin cam can be had for mid-30s. This is a 4 cylinder. 125 - 130 BHP/L motor. A mid pack engine is probably 15K. While irrelevant to the price of the Ferrari motor, it goes to show there's a big range depending on who's built it, the time taken and the builder's reputation and willingness to stand behind his product.

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  19. Steve Magnusson

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    +1

    If I had any mid 70s or earlier F recreation, I wouldn't want to open the hood and see a bunch of ECUs and wiring -- regardless of it being a much better HP/$ value and more reliable ;)
     
  20. 2NA

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    Exactly.

    With a replica vintage Ferrari it would make sense to be at least somewhat period correct. The 4-cam with sidedrafts would look (and sound) like it belongs, Chevy not so much. I don't see the car actually being raced seriously anywhere so reliability and driveability would be far more important to me than horsepower.
     
  21. Ashman

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    That engine with the carbs is basically the same as the engine in the 365 GTC/4 but with more displacement.

    Note that the engine being advertised isn't even built yet, it is promised for mid 2012. I guess the guy wants to get the buyer on the hook before building an engine on spec.

    Back in 1998 I looked at a 400i that had had a complete engine rebuild, including a short block from a 412, with new pistons and valves and the invoices added up to about $26K.

    I would guess that 13 years of inflation plus lots of non-stock go faster build specs would cost quite a bit more. Not saying that the engine is worth the money asked, though. He probably does have a nice profit margin built into that price.
     

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