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2012 sporting reg change re defending the "racing line"....

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  1. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    #1 Fast_ian, Dec 26, 2011
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    Hey,

    I think someone mentioned this little rule change a while back, but watch'a reckon on this;

    I'm delighted that the FIA can still write good English - "moved off it", *not* "moved off of it" ;) But, I'm not sure how that's gonna work......

    If I defend my position successfully, surely I must then be allowed to return to the racing line subsequently (?)

    ;)

    Cheers,
    Ian
    EDIT; http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/sporting_regulations/12877/fia.html
     
  2. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    I reckon that is going to keep CW a very busy man.

    Move off the racing line to defend, and you have to stay on the dirty stuff, not worth the risk IMO.

    Maybe we will lose a lot of battles. I'm sure it will please some drivers and not so much others.

    It is rather a major rule change that.
     
  3. racerx3317

    racerx3317 F1 Veteran

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    That rule is gonna end up turning into a pissing match. The FIA should stay out of the actual racing because they have no clue. They should either have the one move to defend your position like Indycar or just tell all the drivers, have at it and do what you want just don't make contact with another car or kill yourselves. MS will probably earn himself a lifetime ban as much as he moves over on people.....:D
     
  4. mousecatcher

    mousecatcher Formula 3

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    Indycar does not have a one-move rule, they have no moves. You must always drive the racing line, you cannot defend.
     
  5. LightGuy

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    In F1 its hard enough to pass as is. Even with DRS.
    No moves is the way it should be.
    Sooner or later Vettel, MS, etc is going to push someone into a barrier end and the s will hit the fan.
     
  6. maulaf

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    Fully agree! I also think they should abolish more than 1 car on track at the same time and only give points for the fastest lap. I can't see that rule working and fear that whole thing is becoming more and more synthetic, taking away the individual character of the race drivers. They will all look like the same when they are not allowed to battle any more.
     
  7. Papa G

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    What's going to happen at the start of the race when they all jockey for position as the enter turn 1?

    Mulitple infractions?
     
  8. DM18

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    There is no racing line on the way to turn 1. How can there be when cars are starting off of the racing line as it would be on a flying lap
     
  9. Remy Zero

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    They should have wider tracks. And drop Hungary. And Valencia. And Singapore.
     
  10. PSk

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    I think you should be able to defend your position ... it is racing after all.

    Pete
     
  11. TifosiUSA

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    I agree unless you're being ridiculous about it. I thought last year's rules seemed OK. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
     
  12. PSk

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    +1.

    Pete
     
  13. mousecatcher

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    I'm not sure what the hubbub is. To me it's a non-issue.

    Cars typically pass on the inside/passing/dirty line, so being forced to stay there after defending isn't a big deal.

    The rule promotes passing as I see it, while still allowing drivers to put up a reasonable defense.
     
  14. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    You absolutely can defend your position.

    But, seems that having done so, you can no longer move back onto the racing line!

    I assume you can move back if your opponent isn't already there though.....;)

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  15. Far Out

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    And WHEN are you allowed to move back into the racing line? Or do you have to avoid it at all cost until the end of the race? ;)
     
  16. PSk

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    Well to block a pass you only have to move say 1/4 of a car inside of the racing line, as then the following car will believe you are going to block, and it is all about faking ...

    But they are making the rules too complex.
    Pete
     
  17. ProCoach

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    +1

    Sounds good to me.
     
  18. ProCoach

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    After the opportunity to pass has been completed.

    C'mon, this is just making drivers have to think ahead a little more. THAT'S the issue...
     
  19. Neonzapper

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    I almost feel this rule was personally written for Lewis Hamilton.
     
  20. kraftwerk

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    Hahaha I was waiting for it, that's why earlier I posted it will suit some not others.
     
  21. kraftwerk

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    I don't know about more complex, I think in a way it is making it easier to verify.

    As it was they were allowed one block move and back again, this way you move to block and you stay put.

    Your right about the dummy block though, because most drivers try to do a switch back, but I reckon now most drivers will assume the leading driver will stay on the racing line.
     
  22. Bas

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    +1

    Otherwise we would not have had the MSC - Hamilton battle in Monza, which was great to see....

    There where many others.
     
  23. DF1

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    +2 its not traffic management in a city!! Let them race its what we want and what they are paid to do.
     
  24. mousecatcher

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    I disagree. It's just "clarifying" (lol) the one-move rule. One move, not one move and move back.
     
  25. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    You mean where he got warned twice by CW he was more than blocking.

    That's why this rule has been highlighted and adjusted, IMO.

    MS can add a team order rule and a overtaking FIA rule adjustment, to his CV...;)
     

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