Hello all, some of you might remember my ongoing saga with my 355 F1 power unit. I have made a couple of threads. Long story short, I am now running the original set-up: my very own original power unit with its original pump and solenoid valves. New clutch, new TO bearing (Hill), new clutch sensor, new gearbox rpm sensor installed, took it to the dealer who took everything apart and put everything back in. So the mechanics should not be an issue. The problem: I have bolted on my own original unit back on, and the car now only engages REVERSE. It will not shift to first or second. Not with the car on, not with the car off. Before all this drama started, on my original F1 unit, the car would drive fine shifting into all gears - until the clutch heats up and I get a "blinking" reading of what gear I am in. I tried installing the 360 pump with adapter but failed to do so. And now I just want the car back to its original (flawed if need be) way. I.e. if the parts I changed do not fix it, I want the car to drive with its flaw regardless and I will cut my losses for now and consider a new power unit in the future. $11k, damn! The facts: 1. I drove the car on the new clutch, TO, sensors for a short 1km perhaps when I took it out of the dealer to an indy shop. HOWEVER, THIS IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE: This drive was on BORROWED SOLENOID VALVES from a used power unit. 2. I have since returned all the solenoid valves to that unit and handed it back to its owner. Thus, I am running my car on my original set-up with the new hardware parts. I have returned my car to its original state because the borrowed solenoid valves yielded a gearbox flashing light that would prevent me from engaging any gear unless it goes away. Now, there is no light that comes on. There is only the engaging of Reverse (and I drove it in reverse so it is holding and not dropping to N). 3. When I unbolted the old solenoid valves and refitted my originals, I did not bleed the system because my shop does not have the computer. In fact, NO ONE EXCEPT THE AD HAS AN SD1. The shop I took for my F360 to plug into an SD3 said he cannot help at all with an SD3. Where the car is at now has a Skilltester computer, just like the one in the pics below. A.If I carry out the bleeding process, should it work? If so, how is it engaging reverse only but nothing else? B. After hooking the car to the Skilltester today, the mech asked me for my old clutch. I told him I will not bring it to him because it is NOT a clutch problem. I know this because as I stated I DROVE THE CAR on this new clutch, TO, sensors; so it does not seem to be mechanical. If it was, then again, how is it ONLY choosing to engage reverse? C. Pulling the levers back together does put the car back to Neutral. So, the TCU must be getting the commands for N and R, but not 1,2 and beyond. Hmmm. I am open to all opinions and expertise. Kindly advize and let's get this baby on the road again. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Dude...I learned my lesson the hard way, too. Not sure where you are at... But it's time.... No more ****ing around. Take her to a skilled technician either at the Ferrari dealer or one who has all of the proper tools AND know-how to get her FIXED!!!!! Stop this now. Let us know where you are at and I'm sure that if there are any CAPABLE independents the board will make their recommendation. Again....IT'S TIME!!!!!!! Please don't make me find and post all the links to all my threads. Since I manned up as took my 355 to someone who could actually fix her I have had ZERO PROBLEMS!!! And it's been 15 months and almost 4,000 miles!!!! I'll say it again!!! THANK YOU TO MARK AT FERRARI OF SEATTLE!!!!
I know what you mean and I also know how it sounds but TRUST me when I say that there is NO ONE over here who can deal with this. I hope the guys in Kuwait can vouch for that. 1. The dealer wants me to buy a new power unit altogether. The car was with them for 3 months and they did not fix anything for me. 2. This shop it is currently at is the only shop in Kuwait that can hook up to a F355 ECU. 3. Like I said, no one, REPEAT: NO ONE, in Kuwait has an SD1. The only shop with an SD3 told me he will not admit the car because he CANNOT do anything with the SD3 for me. The AD has told me also that the SD3 will not help. The AD, again, insisted that I buy a new power unit. Costs $22.25k with them, or $11.5k from Eurospares. I need some help with identifying why the car is now refusing to engage anything but reverse. Any help appreciated.
Yeah, I went on and bought a F360 because spending 11k on a F1 unit did not make any sense to me. Now, for my F355, I want it to just engage all gears and wish to know what the experts here think about why it ONLY engages Reverse! I just want to go back to what it was like, but with a new clutch/sensor/TO bearing. There must be something with the computers, right? I wish you never have to experience any trouble with your F1 brother. But please do not let my threads 'scare' you, as I live in Kuwait and I am certain that if I were in the US I would have been enjoying my car for the past 7 months.
Hi Mike! My car is actually AT Gemballa right now. It is called now Kuwait Performance. They are the ones who I took it to initially, and whom I have 'argued' with and took the car from them after it stopped shifting because of them, taking my car to Alzayani - where it spent 3 months. With no real happy ending. The owner of Kuwait Performance (aka Gemballa) is Sh Athbi, he is a true class act and a fine gentleman. He has talked to me personally insisting that I bring my car again to the shop. I had my doubts (and still do) because the mechanic -his name is Satesh, an indian- is the one who I still "blame" for ruining my car. But, to be honest, I have NO OPTION (as I explained to BLAMPEE) but to try them one last time. But Mike, they do NOT have an SD1/SD2. They have the Skilltester computer I have put above.
Hmmm... have you talked to Mahmoud Askar? He works at a small independent shop in Shuwaik at a garage owned by Qasem... I would stay away from Nazo.... he's awful. Mike
By the way, I know Athbi, and could not agree more... he really is a rare commodity here in Kuwait, and pure class all the way. I don't know Sateesh... It may not be Kuwait Performance (Gemballa) with the SD2... I thought it was... but, I'm sure you're right. Mike
No, I do not know Askar nor Qasem. What is their shop's name? Do they have ANY tools that can "talk" to the F1 TCU? This is what I need. I do not need good mechanics at this time! I need good technicians haha. As for Nazo, wow, really? I took my F360 to him last week. I am considering him for my major service + clutch job later on when I get around to that. This is because he has an SD3 and can bleed the F1 system on the 360 after those jobs. Please let me know if you have had any experiences with him! Yeah, Athbi is a great guy and REALLY down to earth. I will talk to him tomorrow or Tuesday at the shop because he is the one I trust and will let me know himself if the mech can do anything instead of wasting both our time. Sateesh used to work in Montana-1, but has moved to Gemballa/KP. They work on tons of Fcars and Pcars. Mike, do you know of ANY manual 355 around? I am REALLY considering a switch. Actually, I have played with the idea of transforming my 355 to a manual. But that is not the time to be negative haha.
Mo, I own a wrecked 355 with a manual transmission in Oman. The engine, transmission, clutch, etc., are complete, but the body is a wreck (front and side). All the parts are there. I'll PM you my phone number.... Mike
WOW Mike, THANKS! What do you consider doing with the wrecked car? If I am in the market for some parts (shifter and clutch pedal assembly stuff), will you sell separately? I will text you my digits now. We need to meet.
Are you certain that everything is reinstalled correctly and that all the wiring is correct? Looks like there are seven connectors, six of them could easily get mixed up. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Depending on potential wiring issues, I have an intact front and rear harness for a berlinetta, but it's for a 2.7 sd1 system. But easily boxed and mailed so if you need , I have them.
It would be very doubtful that the wiring is incorrect BUT of course we must triple and quadruple check. Sorry I do not know what you are referring to. Pics?
can you get them to check for errors with their skill tester then post them up for me to see? Also parameters including pis
As stated check the connectors. It's hard to say just off photos but it sounds like the gear linkage is set up incorrectly. Disconnect it, have someone put it into N with power on, reconnect, and try the self learn on it. Do not just try putting it in gear with the car running before you complete a self learn.
Thanks guys, huge wealth of information here. I will keep you updated. But in essence, let me get this straight, you are saying if it engages R and goes to N then it should, as far as the unit is concerned, engage 1st up to 6th? A weak solenoid valve, for example, cannot be responsible for this?
I was referring to the front and rear wiring harnesses. If you were going to do a swap and there is some sort of wiring compatibility issue, you might need new harnesses and connectors. I have a spare front and rear harness but they are for the earlier obd1 355b's. Although there's probably a way to sync it all up. Regardless, just trying to help out if that's indeed a solution.
Thanks guys. Got a call 9.15am today, could not answer. Called back 10.30am and they tell me the car went from 1st to 6th. But now, no reverse lol. I brought up the wiring issue to him yesterday, and apparently that is what he did today before he called me. Unfortunately by the time I got there, I cannot engage any gear. These are some snaps I took of the Skilltester to share here. You will note that the PIS distance position of the clutch is not what it is supposed to be, at 2.17; I understand it ought to be 4.8 - 5.2. And also that it is not reading any clutch wear. It is a brand new clutch, so I am guessing there should be a percentage and not the dashes. Thus, the clutch reading could be the issue? Will bleed the system after checking the wiring completely. He showed me a manual where there was a picture of the 355 F1 system with the numbering of the EVs - Engagement & Selection. I am a bit optimistic now after reading the 55.3 on the hydraulic pressure. Also, despite the car not engaging Reverse, when we pulled the lever, the Skilltester numbers changed. I am guessing the command is there, but the actual selection/engagement (from EV swaps?) is disabling it now. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
The pis is set far too low to engage gear with the engine running. I also suspect that the new closed clutch position hasn't been written in when the clutch was replaced, as when correctly set up and even when brand new they tend to show a wear percentage of 5-8%. If the gears were working ok before the clutch was switched i'd be pulling the cover back off and checking in there too. it's only an hours job to pull it off and check it... As an aside, get them to disconnect the microswitch on the boot latch and retry it, as i've had the same issue with a partly failed switch.....
Yes, the PIS should be 4.8 to 5.2, correct? How does one go about doing that? Sorry but I lost you when you mentioned the 'closed clutch position hasn't been written in'. Care to elaborate please? Is this helpful to you sir?
Well the PIS is adjustable using the skilltester tool you have pictured. It's accesed by entering the diagnosis page from the menu. The new closed clutch position is basically a figure you dump into the ecu to tell it the starting thickness of the clutch so it can calculate the wear rate. Not setting this correctly causes a false PIS reading to be generated. Has the plug location been verified on the unit as ok yet? Also, definately tell them to pull the wire off the boot catch-plenty people been caught out by that one before!! To be honest anyone with an SD3 should also have what is known as "porting software" which effectively turns it into an SD1, this software was the replacement for it, so it might be worth speaking to your dealer again and getting them to check if your current garage cannot help....