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Ferrari F2012 contender rumors

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  1. Ferraripilot

    Ferraripilot F1 World Champ
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    Some technical bits are emerging here and there as well as the ever present rumor mill hard at work. The F2012 is reportedly flat-bottomed and the floor of the car is said to be 'genius' work from Byrne which changes a lot of everything else on the car. Meaning the concept and idea is very fresh and revolutionary but nothing can be tested until the season starts really. Wind tunnel and CFD only do so much. On paper though, what they have in the mill could be interesting.


    List of new fresh employee's at Scuderia Ferrari too:

    Ioannis Veloudis -- CFD
    Giacomo Tortora -- Aerodynamics
    Lawrence Hodge -- Aerodynamics
    Rupad Darek -- Simulation studies/Aerodynamics
    Jonathon Heal -- Composites/stress Engineer
    Marcin (Martin) Budkowski --Head of Aero at McM (not confirmed)
    Neil Martin -- Research
    Nick Jefferies --aerodynamics
    Nigel Leaper -- composites





    "To complement the information from @ Truzonef1, the current flat-bottomed (and diffuser) of the Ferrari 2012 is a true 'state of the art'
    Mentioned in previous tweets that Byrne was working on the changes, and has come up with one of his 'genius' floor designs
    The concept is so 'revolutionary' that affects many other parts, so he has met with everyone to try it as soon as possible
    Once tested in the tunnel, if it works, take a long time to manufacture the new fund and redesign / build the rest of the parts affected
    Since few test and it was thought that there would need to modify the chassis, that is the 'urgency' of the meeting of the top engineering
    If works are ahead of Red Bull?, Patience, and still tried, only the head of Byne;)
    In terms of timing, if it works, will hardly be for the first test because it affects 'long pieces' very slow to make
    But if they tried this in the last test before the first race
    It seems that the 'old' is in shape, made ​​an extraordinary flat bottom, but if it works its new 'idea' RB who will not take 1s to FER
    Do not forget that the flat bottom is not a fixed part of the chassis, so if you do not have to modify the latter, follow the FIA crash
    I have heard that there may be another problem with that new flat bottom, there could be problems with the FIA, decided Domenicali"


    More stuff from those twits

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    @ charlygp That's a good idea, the problem is that there are many pieces to be redesigned, that if it would be a full-fledged F2012B
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    @ ElenaF1 What will is that 'rent' more engineers, but there can not
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    FA joseluisf1
    The first problem is to get resources in Maranello to test the bottom, Tombazis the butt, tunnels and time is also
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    @ nono_bm The ground clearance, normally measured with three sensors, one on the right, one left and one behind or in front
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    @ alogoc I can not respond
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    @ F1DavidR Yes, it is a handicap. It would require the last tests to prove it, but I think if there is much benefit to risk
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    @ F1DavidR First you see the data, if it offers a big performance increase as will soon be in the last test
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    @ F1DavidR At least I do, I can say that the source has informed me is confidence, so no cc @ joseluisf1 forgetfulness
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    @ F1DavidR If, in addition to Tombazis has given all the soil amendments to the car. His mind still works in Phucket;)
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    @ F1DavidR What had already worked perfectly, if he thinks they must have found something in the CFD study quickly.
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    Jonathan Neale to @ f1enigma confirms that Budkowski only took a sabbatical but will not go to Ferrari, McLaren again.


    There seems to be some pretty detailed speculation here - could all be nonsense of course, I guess we'll see in a few months time.


    Scarbs always interprets things to ideas from the past which I love.
    "Doesnt this rumour about the floor, sound like the surface cooling idea from Brabham on the BT46? Smaller radiators = less drag and more flow to the diffuser".
     
  2. Fast_ian

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    Byrne's back?

    I'm surprised that hasn't made major headlines! He's the one guy who may be able to do something "revolutionary". Very cool if true.

    Cheers,
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  3. Ferraripilot

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    He never really 100% left. He always remained as a consultant doing this and that but never a full cover
     
  4. jcosta79

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    Hmmmm... Why didn't they hire any aero guys?

    :D
     
  5. Fast_ian

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    Really? I thought he basically said "**** it all, I'm going to open a dive store in Thailand (?) where there's no internet, computers or telephones and relax for a few years!" [Nice if you can do it!] - I'd love to see him back in the game full-time, but am not sure how much he's really involved - Hopefully a lot - He's the one guy who's beaten Newey a few times.....

    Cheers,
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  6. Ferraripilot

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    Hah. Yeah Luca mentioned the other day that the Italians are having to recruit Brits for aero work as for some reason Italians are not as good at it. His words, not mine. As for the new Ferrari staff, I think they are a little late to the party compared to the top top tier of the sport. This will be a very interesting season for Ferrari which either be one of greatness or great sadness.

    F2012 can either destroy the field with its innovative look or it could flounder for a while until Ferrari gets a grasp on this new technology they are experimenting with. There is always a chance with going with a 'revolutionary' design, yet those designs are always the most successful so definitely a chance worth taking these days. Mclaren really went for it '11 didn't they. Worked fairly well right.
     
  7. brian.s

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    With Red Bull developing the 12 car as far back as April (according to one A Newey), I guess Ferrari are late to the game!

    Newey admitted that they drew the 11 car as a 'qualifier' which once on pole could draw away to clear the DSR zone. Once they got points clear in the first races, they turned toward 12.
     
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    Meanwhile work on the 2013 car has begun.
     
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    Pfft. Toleman people on the payroll....;)
     
  10. Remy Zero

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    We'll see in less than a month's time, when they launch the car.
     
  11. SlvSurfer

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    I hope the boys from McLaren aren't reading this haha
     
  12. Ferraripilot

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    They need to see how this new tech works on the field. I guarantee they won't solidify anything regarding the '13 car until they know two things. a) what everyone else is doing, b) how the new Ferrari tech is working
     
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    Sounds interesting. Happy that Rory made a full time comeback (that's how I read it?). Hopefully he can make a difference.

    Bit irritating as I'd rather Vettel won a 3rd title :D.
     
  14. Ferraripilot

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    Rory is not really back. Word is that he is there to consult and assist in interpreting new rules. When anyone tries something 'new' and 'revolutionary' there is always great risk. Look at Renault '11, Mclaren '11, MB '11, and I know there are tons of other examples but these are the most fresh concepts in our minds of teams going outside of the box to do something different that will compete. So in other words, it better be an incredibly good 'thing' or 'magic bullet' they came up with or stuff will go bad quickly. I commend Ferrari for doing this though as it is the only way to beat Red Bull. I really hate teams that are trying to out-Newey a Newey design. F150 was a example of this. Won't happen.
     
  15. classic308

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    Rory has been kryptonite to Newey's Superman....I guess he got tired of Thailand's beaches...anyways I hope to see a competitive F1 season...
     
  16. Fast_ian

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    Hmmm..... I'd need to check more, but outside of no more EBD's & a (slightly?) higher (lower?) nose I don't believe there's a lot of rule changes this off-season - At least that affect car design.

    No matter, hopefully he's back enough to make his presence felt.

    Cheers,
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  17. Ferraripilot

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    The lower nose issue and shorter bulkhead issue is really going to force designers to get creative regarding airflow under the nose and around the sidepods. I suspect teams will make the top of the nose within spec yet do everything possibly to have as thin a nose as they are able a la Mercedes W02. This rule alone makes me wonder how RB will keep their trademark supersoft front suspension setup. Don't think it will happen. I'm guessing there will be some pullrod front suspensions on the field.
     
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    Source: some guys´ Tweeter.

    Oh, well, there are not races and we are bored.
     
  19. Ferraripilot

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    It's a smart move. All teams do it, and the team with the best offer (not always $$) wins. Dede went all-in with RB and cashed in big time that past couple seasons and those are all Williams and Mclaren guys running that team. It took time to cook but things sure did turn out nicely didn't they. Seeing these changes at Ferrari reminds me of what MB decided to do 6 months ago which in-turn tells me that 2013 and 2014 will be amazing seasons with all these championship quality teams, if not sooner.
     
  20. furmano

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    Additionally, SF needs to improve its race tactics and reduce its pit stop times.

    -F
     
  21. DF1

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    Agree'd I was just having fun with it! Good to see them thinking out of the box.....so to speak :)
     
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    Agreed, their pit stop delta went from tops to high mid pack in from 2010 to 2011. I recall one 2010 race where the pit stop delta was the difference between P1 and P2.....now MB and RB had it down this year.
     
  23. Ferraripilot

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    Ferrari apparently have their own ride height system which they are waiting for Chuck to approve. Will '12 be a season relying on who can figure out how to setup this new technology best? Ferrari hired a tire guy from Bridgestone to help so we'll see.
     
  24. Remy Zero

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    Fred also claimed that since Pat Fry came aboard, the team has been more efficient. Sounds positive. Hopefully all is well. Would be a dream to see Ferrari, Mclaren, Redbull, Merc in a massive dogfight this season.
     

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