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  1. voicey

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    Well done. Looks like it was far worse than the previous one!

    Just a thought on the glue..... What's it actually doing and is it really necessary? Ball joint is captive in there isn't it? Is it just an anti-vibration issue or what do you think?
     
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    The ball joint goes in and out through the bottom of the wishbone. Both the wishbone and the joint are stepped (with the wider part being at the bottom so the weight of the car pushes them together.) The lower circlip/boot stops the ball joint popping out of the arm. Due to the step, the upper circlip/boot is not needed to hold it in place (but is needed for protection).

    In theory the step and the circlip would be enough to hold it all together. However, I was surprised at just how little interference there is between the joint and the arm. It needs to be pressed in and out but nothing close to the force required on the lower shock bush. Given this relatively "loose" fit I would say the glue is needed.
     
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    wow!! that is amazing work! I notice there is a fair bit of rusty parts. Is this due to being close to the coast?

    I know all about eczema, by bro has it, its no fun! haha

    What is the difference between the hill bushings than the ferrari ones?
     
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    I wouldn't say that London is close to the coast but I guess it's all relative! We get a lot of rain here in the UK so the underside of the car does get quite wet.

    The problem is that the OEM joints are chrome plated mild steel - the chrome wears off and any moisture rots the steel. The Hill joints are stainless and thus do not suffer from this problem.
     
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    Interesting! learn something new everyday. Why did they just not making it stainless to begin with? chroming sounds like a waste of time with no real value. Sure it may save some money to keep the car in a certain price range, but you would think from what you state, they wouldnt do it.
     
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    The OEM joints wear out very quickly - not only did Ferrari not revise the material they carried the part over to the 430. To top it off they also stopped supplying the ball joint seperately - if you go into a Ferrari dealer and need new ball joints they can only sell you a complete new wishbone with the new joint pre installed.
     
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    I got some garage time today, albeit curtailed becuase my daughter got sick at nursery. Anti roll bars were on the agenda...

    Front mounts cleaned up:

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    Rubber bushes (old ones on the right):

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    I used some red rubber grease. It's important to use grease that doesn't swell and degrade rubber - the last thing you want for your bushes.

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    ARB and mount greased up:

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    I didn't take too many photos of the rear ARB - you need to take both wheels off at the same time which meant I had to do the job on my drive and it was raining!

    Here's a pic of the ARB removed from the car as well as a close up shot of the removable arm. First off both drop links need to be undone from the ARB. Then the pinch bolt on the removable arm needs to be undone - don't leave it in as it prevents the bar from coming apart. To seperate the ARB I applied quite a bit of heat with a heat gun to the arm and then drifted the ARB out.

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    The old bushes came out easily with a screwdriver. I cleaned up the mounts and wire brushed the splines on the ARB up. Here are the old vs new bushes:

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    The drop links can only be removed by taking the lower shock bolt out.

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    ARB back in together with new drop links:

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    What sizes are the ARBs? This thread is great, thanks for sharing all your work
     
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    Cool Voicey, great finishing to your work there, love your attention to detail.

    I'm going to have to ask you to do the rear ARB again, I haven't gleaned quite enough for my DIY archives! :D

    Have you driven yet? Looking forward to your report.
     
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    Voicey- Great thread and an inspiration to the rest of us.

    Earlier someone asked for a silver paint code and it is PPG 36520, Argento Metallic or Argento Nurburgring, same color.
     
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    Do you have a workshop manual for the 360 modena? Im wondering because I would like to achieve the same attention to detail you have.
     
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    Charles- if you go to ferraridatabase.com, you can download a 360 workshop manual for free. I sent Ben the Spider manuals, too, but not sure whether he posted them yet or not. Only difference is the section on the top.
     
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    No problem. What size do you need? I'll measure it for you.

    When I get back to the office I'll email you a detailed report of the procedure! I've not driven yet, the rear bumper is off and the exhaust is missing the tail pipes..

    Thank you. Hopefully my exploits can give confidence to people so they can tackle jobs to keep these cars on the road. As they get older things are going to wear out - god knows how much I'd have to pay someone to do all this work, the parts bill is frightening enough! I think there will be two types of 360 in the years to come - ones that have been maintained properly and those that haven't. With any luck the cars the have will carry a premium.
     
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    I was wondering the diameters, just for fun. I have an odd fetish for ARB sizes, it probably doesn't help that I just installed a 22mm rear in my Subaru. ARBs make such a huge difference in handling, it's often an overlooked item with anyone trying to upgrade their handling

    Thanks again, love to follow this thread
     
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    Rear ARB is 20mm. I will measure the front one for you next time I'm under the front end.
     
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    One thing that I have done since owning 360's is to ensure the transaxle fluid is changed annually. I had Shiltech change the oil a year ago when they installed the Timate but this time round I tackled the job myself.

    First up was to check the oil level - the dipstick is attached to the filling plug on the nearside of the gearbox. The level was a little above the max mark.

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    The dipstick needs a 12mm hex wrench to undo.

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    The drain plug is undone with a 14mm hex bit. It's magnetic and there was a fair amount of sludge attached but no chunks of metal (thankfully).

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    The oil looked in fairly good shape as it came out. I ended up leaving it overnight to drain out but that was only becuase I ran out of garage time yesterday.

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    The filter is on the same side as the filler but to the rear of the transmission. An 8mm bolt secures it in place.

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    As you can see it was filled with sludge.

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    I cleaned the filter thoroughly with solvent and left it to dry before refitting.

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    New copper washers for the sump plug and filler. Both were cleaned up before refitting.

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    I bought Shell Racing 75w90 Gear Oil. It has the exact same specs as Spirax S5 (which is the replacement for the recommended Shell Transxale) but the Racing Oil is sold in 5 litre containers whereas the Spirax is only sold in 20 litre pails.

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    The oil came with a free chromatographic analysis kit. The oil didn't show any signs of being at the end of it's life (the black marks were from my gloves).

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    I like to measure the oil I remove from a car - just over 3 litres in this case.

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    And I like to measure the new oil going back in. I used a funnel and hose to get the oil into the box. I put in 2.5 litres and left it for 15 mins to settle - after checking the level was just below the min mark. Another 1/2 litre saw it up to the max mark. I will check it again at the weekend.

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    good work, and noted! thanks!
     
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    The car has aftermarket speakers and an amplifier in the front boot. Although it does sound great I rarely listen to music in this car and decided I valued the boot space more - so it had to come out.

    Here's the set up - the false floor has a recess for the tool kit and inflator.

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    Under the flap is the amplifier.

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    An this is it with the lid off:

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    I had to source a new belt buckle to relocate the tool kit to the original place. I don't carry the OEM inflator as I have two cans of tyreweld and a puncture repair kit in the car. The CD changer has been put where the inflator goes and I kind of like it there.

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    I decided to keep the wiring in place so that it would be easy to refit the amp if wanted. However, I need to make the wires safe. The phono cables were simply unplugged at each end and the speaker wires were taped up.

    I pulled the fuse for the amp power at the battery (and taped up the connector at the other end).

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    The remote wire that turns the amp on was wired so that the male end was on the "live" part of the circuit so that had to be switched around and unplugged.

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    I didn't realise how heavy it was - 10.8kg junked out of the nose!

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    When refitted the carpets I took the opportunity to renew a lot of the fixing bolts as the heads were pretty mashed up. Also missing were three trim clips that hold two carpet pieces together.


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    These aren't listed as a seperate part number but I had a stash of Honda Civic bumper clips that were the correct size.

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    I needed to trim a couple down so they fitted properly

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    And here they are in place.

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    And here's the boot all finsihed - just needs to be vaccumed!

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