How many miles does the 612 engine last?

I have been sorting thru the 612's lately and have seen some high milage vehicles out there.

My question is:

How many miles was that V12 engine in that 612, designed to handle? Another words, when does it wear out and need----rings, heads etc...etc... redone? 150k miles??? or maybe towards the 100k miles??? This would have a factor in purchasing the 612 for daily use.

The V8's that are in the 430's "I was told" only last to around 80k to 100k due to the high reving nature of it.

Ferrari has designed this V12 engine to meet certain guide lines. Just wondering if anybody knows the parameters of the life expectancy of it. It would have a bearing on asking price.


Thanks for your replies

 

If you are driving it regularly, I would be surprised if you couldn't go 300-400k.

I don't buy that line on the 430s, either.

I don't know how many miles the fleet leader for the 612 has, but I would be pretty sure it's well over 100k.

Most Ferrari engines have problems because they have too few miles, not too many!

 

If well maintained and not abused, you won't wear out a 612/575 motor.

 

i think F car car motors go POOF at 30,001

 

The value of the car certainly goes poof at 30k. LOL

 

I would think that the V12 would last past 100k partly due to the rev limiter not being as high as the 430's.

300k to 400k----------that seems dubious to me, however, those numbers sound nice .

Most (if not all) engineered / designed engines are given a close mileage approximity to its useable life. Think about chevy or dodge or ford engines (I know it is not in the Ferrari classification) in the early days, they did not last very long but how long do they last today?----if taken care of as a daily driver the low reving and low compresion engines last in to the 200k mile range and more. The manufacture knows the aproximate life of each of its engines to establish first warranty on them.

I was asking if anybody knew Ferrari's mileage claim on that engine and or, actual high mileage on some of the 612's that out there today at point of needing valves,heads,bearings...etc...etc

Thank you

 

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Right, the 575 has same motor. I need to check that section as well. They have been around longer than the 612.

That is definitly good news that a well maintianed 575/612 motor will not wear out.

With that said, A high mileage 612 would be fine for a daily driver.

Thank you

greyhair

 

The Europeans tend to put way more miles on their Ferraris than us Americans do. That said, there is a guy on here who put a lot of miles on his 612 in the first few years of ownership, and I don't think it was a problem.

Keep in mind that to put really high miles on a relatively new car like a 612, they almost have to be freeway miles. You can do more damage in 1,000 track miles than you can in 100,000 freeway miles.

I have seen 100k plus miles on 360s, without any obvious issues. I don't imagine a 430 would be all that different.

 

you just went from getting paid when u sell it to having to pay somebody to take it away.....

 

Thanks Donv, I agree that "how" the car is driven or "has" been driven has a lot to do with the longevity of the engine and components of the car.

I would think that the 612 would less likely be a "track car" candidate. Allthough, I have read some posters have tracked the 612. The 4 seats that the 612 has, projects family car to me or GT tour type car. With that said, I would think that the 612 would last well in the 180k mileage range without any internals needed? Just my guess, no hard info to back it.

I have been trying to get info on how many scuderias were built and shipped to the USA from Ferrari. As you know they keep thier lips zipped. With that said, I believe Ferrari will "not" give or "have" an expiration date for the 575/612 engines.

I searched the 575 section and found one engine that was 100k plus, that a dealer was trying to sell, which the chatters were thinking that it may need a rebuild around 140k or so. My experince so far with Ferrari is the engine builds are good .

With the FF now out, I am looking into the 612 arena for great purchase prices.

thanks for your info

greyhair

 

I asked my tech this question some months before concerning by 575M. The answer was „200 K miles are no problem for the engine/car“.

The 550/575/612 engines are quite bullet proof.

My 575M is my daily driver but I only do about 8 K miles / year.

Markus

 

Ferrari made some longevity changes when they went from the 550 to the 575M. Among those were a change from bronze valve guides to sintered steel valve guides. The titanium connecting rods on the 550 broke in racing versions of the 550 and they were replaced with much tougher steel rods. The steel rods carried over to the 575M engine. With manifolding changes, the 575M F133E and early 612 F133F engines are pretty much identical. I do not have much info on the OTO's F133H engine, but would expect it to be at least as tough.

Piston speed is actually fairly low with the 7500 rpm red line and relatively short stroke, so that also contributes to longevity. The fuel cut-off at 7600 rpm and the F1 logic also prevent over-rev damage. No reason why they should not run fine for 200,000+ miles if regularly driven. Pretty much have to be regularly driven to reach really high mileage.

 

Thank you Taz,

Question: Do the early 612's and the later (I would asume 2008 and up) both have timing chains? or Belts? And, what mileage do you change them out at?

And yes I agree this 612 would be a great car to put mileage on and feel good about it. I have a scuderia and allthough, I feel good when taking out for a romping, however, I seem to always have that mileage on my mind after I put it back in the garage.

Thank you Elsi for yor reply as well. 200k seems to be lining up with the users.

 

I suspect you don't care.

 

And I presume you will be a good soul and offer to come over and take her away for FREE....

That way it will be a win~win...?

 

612's depreciate faster and are great cars if you like the look and need the seats over say a 599. Unless you need the 2 seats I would probably have a 575. Same motor, way cheaper and better looking. I would rather have (and do) a 599 but it's more money.

 

GH- The 612 engines were the last with rubber cambelts built by Ferrari. Change interval on the belts is 5 years or 30,000 miles, whichever comes first, same as the 575's interval.

 

not a chance. i have my own problems as my maranello just crossed 8,000..............

 

I love the exterior look of the 575 but the interior reminds me of my age

I happen to like the looks of the exterior and interior of the 612 and also the FF.

The 599 is also wonderful but I have the scuderia for that purpose.

 

I was hoping the 612 had the chain.

My next question (of course) how much is that cost? My guess would be around $1800us?

The cost per year I would also imagine to be around 2500 to 3500? (not including the timing belt) just a guess.

Thank you Taz for the info.

 

greyhair – If you are concerned about costs for cambelt changes, a Ferrari might be the wrong car as a daily driver you really want put miles on it. As Terry writes the cambelt is due every 5 years or 30 K miles. Mines is about CHF 2 000 which is about USD 2 400 (but in Switzerland everything is more expensive than in other countries ).

Besides the cambelt there are the tires (P Zeros lasted about 3 K miles, now I have put on Michelin Pilot Super Sports which I expect to be good for about 6 K miles). Then there is the clutch which should last for more than about 30 – 50 K miles and all the other issues a Ferrari may encounter as a daily driver (water pump etc.).

And then there is the fuel consumption.

If you use a Ferrari as a daily driver you have to be prepared to spend some money. The costs for the cambelts are the least of all (and they can be planned).

I have now 20 K miles on my 575 and (knock on wood) no issues so far. But you always have to be prepared to spend some grand if you really put miles on these cars, although the 550/575/612 is one of the most reliable Ferraris and thus best suited as a daily driver.

Anyway this should not prevent you from using a 612 as a DD and I really enjoy every ride with my 575 (also with winter tires that are currently on).

Markus

 

Thanks for putting it into prospective Markus.

I am thinking around 10k miles per year, if that. I understand the clutch, tires and other consumables that are associated with ferrari cars. I was just hoping that engine had the chain rather than the belt. I guess changing the belt every 30k miles is not that bad.

Like I stated earlier, I am just pondering the idea of getting into a daily driver from Ferrari. I use a Denali and BMW 760 as well for that purpose presently and drive the scuderia on the weekends. I love the Ferrari brand and would like to drive it more than just weekends.

I also love the understated look the 612 has (when compared to the scuderia).

Again thanks Markus

greyhair

 

greyhair – 10 K is very reasonable. Before I bought the Ferrari I had a Maserati 3200 and a 4200 afterwards and did about 12 K miles per year. I did about 80 K miles (with both cars together) and I always enjoyed driving such cars as DD. The Ferrari is even better and I am sure you won’t regret to have a 612 as a DD.

Just do it!

Cheers and enjoy your cars

Markus