Considering 612, Want Advice

Bob- Both would be ideal. We have a really well to do collector on the other forum. His initial choice for a daily driver was a Scud or 16M. What he eventually decided was to pick up a 612 and an F430 Spider. Sound familiar?

If you turn your wife loose in the 612, you are liable to never get the keys back. Has happened before.

 

Bob-- you might want to check with them to see if they have the original exhaust, as well. I don't know how the tubi is on the 612, but on the 456 it sounded great at idle but was just too loud at highway speeds.

Personally, I'd rather have a car with a known history and high miles, like this one, than one with half the miles and an unknown history or a long ownership chain.

 

Bob- OEM shields can be added to a Ferrari, including Frenching the inlets, but it is very expensive. Looks like someone thought it was worth the effort, because that is what was apparently done. Probably cost $3-5K to do it. The shields are $1145 each from Ricambi.

 

Let me help shed some light on this car. I know it well from the past owner as he lives near me..He did do everything right on it, I recall when Eric had the car, then when Jim Lyons sold it to the 2nd owner. The 2nd owner is a real car guy and has a few different ones he uses but loved this 612 and spent a great deal of $$ on it. The fenders were replaced as the new owner wanted shields with factory fenders. The stereo and K-1(installed in rear view mirror) we installed by the top guy in southern California. It also had a Tubi put on it and the bottom areas painted in color. In general like many of us he was over maintaining it which is great.

If I were in the market I would buy this car in a heart beat...feel free to pm me if you have any questions...

 

That seems like a good deal. I agree that it may difficult to sell if that is likely in the near future. Rosso Rubino is gorgeous on the 612.

 

You will not miss your 430 once get behind the wheel of that V12. I have and have most of the boy racers...nothing compares to the torque and power of that 12...in the 612 you get all the performance and some true usability...even after I drive my 550 the 612 feels much quicker at the seat of your paints...the reason it is faster and more comfortable..again just my take.

You can always keep the 430 or get one later..lots of them out there and more to come as the 458 starts into the used market.

Miles mean nothing to people who really drive the cars..

 

Who is this dealer? I've never heard of them. They have some other interesting cars there too!

 

Bob- Sounds better and better. Two owners that doted on a car and bought her all kinds of jewelry is just what you want. Plus any problem areas are long since fixed. Put a set of 599 Challenge/monolitihic wheels on her with the money you save. They fit perfectly and the inch wider rear wheels make the car look tougher and prettier.

 

As long as it has the Monolitic wheels and the panoramic roof would the the one's I'd get....

 

It sounds like this car was well taken care of. It's the second 612 that's come up with some miles on it, which is a good sign. I believe we're going to be seeing more "higher" mileage ferrari's in the future because they are becoming more usable and requiring less maintenance than in the past Good luck with your journey.

 

Have you thought about the Black 599GTB with the HGTE package at DC motors in California? 30k miles, asking 170. Having that much power beneath you might give you the best of both worlds?

 

Bob- No, the 612 system is about three generations newer than the 360 and has a similar F1A system to the one introduced on the Superamerica in 2005. Much more refined than the 360 system, especially in Auto. The big V12's torque matches with F1 very well. My older generation F1 system in my 575M works very well, but is slower than the F1A on the SA/early 612.

The 599 has an even more updated F1 system, along with a pretty much indestructible twin plate clutch. That clutch, and the 599 transaxle case, were added to the 612 in the Sessanta/OTO cars in the 07/08 timeframe. If you can swing it and do not need four seats, the 599 is a much higher performing and more modern car. Its Enzo derived F140C engine also has chains instead of belts for the camshaft drive and variable camshaft timing for intake and exhaust cams. The 612 has fixed camshaft timing. But then, a 599 will be ~$100K more than this 612.

 

Bob- Affirmative, but not quite as quick. Both are from the same generation. There was rapid progress made on F1 in the 02-05 timeframe.

 

Since we are on the subject of F1 612 shifting speeds: I have a few questions for the gurus----(taz) and whom ever may know the answers.

What are the F1 shifting speeds for the stock 2005 612?

In 2006 and up to presently, Ferrari has the HGTS(c) 612 packages that include the faster F1 shifting-----------what are those shift speeds?

I thought I read that in 2009, the 612 upgraded the ECU F1 fast shifting (as in the HGTS-C), was incorporated in the 2009 model as a standard. Is this true? or did Ferrari do this in 2008?

One more:

Is the present F1 shift speed in the 2009 or 2008 and up, the same as the 599 shift speed? How fast is that shift speed?

The reason I ask, is because that i may not want the suspension upgrade as in the HGTS-C but however, still want the upgraded fast F1 shifting. I have noticed this on a few 2008 and 2009's which also state they have the sports exhaust but "NO" suspension upgrade as in the HGTS-C. These 612's may have the Fast F1 shift speed I am looking for.

Or I may be ok with a 2006 HGTS? I am not sure yet.

Oh-------as a refrence point, lets use the scuderia F1 shifting speed times.------------60ms

Thanks for you input.

greyhair

 

You should see if they'll let you drive a 612 and 599 back to back. I would think they could find a 612 to use, if they don't have one to sell.

 

Makes sense as they do not have a 612 for sale...They want to sell what they have on the floor..If I am correct the 2 cars you are compairing at are not in the same price range at all...Regardless, the 612 offers generally the same performance of the 599 with extra seats...The 599 will feel sportier but they are not words apart--and yes I have owned both.

Both amazing cars so you cannot go wrong with either.

 

GH- Only have part of those answers. The Superamerica/early 612 F1A minimum shift time was the same as the 575M HGTC, 180 ms. The HGTS/C packages sped that up, quoted by Ferrari as 10%, so around 160 ms. In the 08 timeframe, the OTO received the 599 transaxle case, dual plate clutch and Superfast F1 system with shift times of 100 ms. The HGTS package on that car was supposed to reduce time further, to perhaps 80 ms, like the 599 HGTE system. The latest F1 Superfast systems, like those on the GTO/Aperta and special models of the 599, reduce that time to 60 ms.

Best I can do.