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Replicas by the numbers.........

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by tomgt, Feb 6, 2012.

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  1. cprob

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    Not any kind of value judgment about replica/recreations, but this seems legally Crazy to be advertising and doing in Italy. I thought there was a recent crackdown..
     
  2. tomgt

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    Who's Carrozzeria is this?
     
  3. licodix

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    This guy has no brains - but big balls to advertise it that openly... I thought these things are long gone 80s/90s madness...
     
  4. amenasce

    amenasce Three Time F1 World Champ
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    I think the difference here is that he is just rebodying a real ferrari as opposed to rebadging a Toyota or a Nissan as a Ferrari but i might be wrong.

    With that said, the blue california looks very very nice.
     
  5. michael bayer

    michael bayer Formula 3

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    Would the moderators please move this to the replica section?
     
  6. bigodino

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    Why? The only replica section is about crappy replicas based on non-ferrari chassis. That's not the case here (this is an assumption but I bet these replicas are built on Ferrari chassis')
     
  7. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Do NON-crappy replicas exist?
    Not that I know of.

    Marcel Massini
     
  8. ScuderiaWithStickPlease

    ScuderiaWithStickPlease F1 World Champ

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    There's an Australian company that makes great replicas of the Ford GT40. There's also a UK outfit that makes great replicas of the Porsche 904, a Canadian outfit that makes an excellent Porsche Speedster, etc.

    Replicas can be great. It's just that 99% of the time they suck because they're bought by people with near-zero budgets, many of whom seem more interested in emulating a certain lifestyle than in driving a worthwhile replica of a classic -- that's in addition to the ethical issues they ignore.
     
  9. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    P L E A S E !!

    Marcel Massini
     
  10. bigodino

    bigodino F1 World Champ
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    There's a distinction between a crappy replica based on whatever was available and a replica based on a real Ferrari chassis. I know and respect your point of view on the latter and we won't even need to discuss the former.

    But as you know I think it's important to keep track of the Ferrari based replicas. If Rob could create a separate section for Ferrari based replicas I would very much welcome it. They don't belong in the crappy replicas thread IMHO.

    Best, Peter
     
  11. PSk

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    Better yet would somebody with connects to Ferrari Spa please send them a link to that site.

    Go lawyers go!
    Pete
     
  12. Marcel Massini

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    Factory is already fully aware of this case.

    Marcel Massini
     
  13. poppy84

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    #14 poppy84, Feb 10, 2012
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    This is an assembly line, even Scaglietti in the late 50s had not so much body in his carrozzeria!

    Incredible coming from Luzzago which is very well known in Italy!!!
     
  14. Mitch Alsup

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    And yet one can still buy a brand new GT40 MK3 made by the same people (Holman Moody)who built the originals--side-oiler and all.
     
  15. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Lee makes a MK II not a MKIII.

    Pete

    The location and principals of this shop are well known and a very credible source told me the Factory tried to shut it down (Post Enzo) and lost. The issue as explained to me is that the owner of a Ferrari has the legal right to strip that body off and mount any body on it he wants so long as Ferrari badges are not affixed.

    This particular shop has a long history of Ferrari Coachbuilding and the current owner told me his father was given permission by Enzo to rebody cars and that was part of the court ruling in their favor.

    Cheers
     
  16. rdefabri

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    Indeed, but at an exorbitant price (not much less than an original) and not street legal. Still cool though.
     
  17. Bullfighter

    Bullfighter Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Amen.
     
  18. ScuderiaWithStickPlease

    ScuderiaWithStickPlease F1 World Champ

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    How can it be legal to replicate this work without permission? (I'm sure there are lawyers here that can explain it.)
     
  19. Mitch Alsup

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    They (Holman Moody) were the ones who built the original GT 40s for FORD in the '60s!
    Thus, they (the Holman Moody GT40s) are not replicas, but continuations.
     
  20. judge4re

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    If you don't like this, go out and buy an "uninteresting" Ferrari and preserve it, else, it's kind of like complaining when someone remodels their house, it's their property, let them do what they want to.
     
  21. ScuderiaWithStickPlease

    ScuderiaWithStickPlease F1 World Champ

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    My bad. I meant how can it be that Holman Moody is still building these cars and yet others are allowed to replicate them?
     
  22. Mitch Alsup

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    Neither FORD nor HM wants to spend the money on lawyers to limit the tiniest of markets.
     
  23. ScuderiaWithStickPlease

    ScuderiaWithStickPlease F1 World Champ

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    Intellectual property violations, if that's what replicas are, should be crimes not just civil matters, IMHO.
     
  24. Mitch Alsup

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    On the other hand, intellectual property is SUPPOSED to have time limits involved, so that sooner or later one can make a perfect copy without any fear that lawyers will come knocking at the door. At this point the GT40 is 45 years old anyways.

    It is NOT a crime to make a copy of the Mona Lisa--it is a crime to portray your copy as the Leanardo original.
     

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