Introducing SuperSprint's 355 Full Modular Exhaust System !

I just cant see putting a 1/4 to 1/3 the cost of the car in an exhaust system that gives less gain than a couple weedeaters The exhaust is more than I paid for my daily driver 2005 Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6, which is only 25HP less than the Ferrari and has more torque. I just don't think a 355 is worth a 5 digit exhaust system at this point. Unfortunatly your over a barrel because the stock stuff is junk and has to be replaced.

 

I had the same thought when I recieved the PM with the pricing. Almost the cost of a complete 30K service. At the current values of 355's at the moment, I came to the conclusion that the cost / benefit ratio did not favor this exhaust over the others available.
Even if they were fabricated by a small group of specialists and with a unique difference in design. The value, i.m.h.o. is just not there for this piece of hardware. I can enjoy my 355 as much without it. I simply can not justify it at the suggested pricing.

JD

 

So you have to use the Y-delete with these headers?

I'll never get rid of the Y-pipe.

 

"I had the same thought when I recieved the PM with the pricing. Almost the cost of a complete 30K service"

Just for the headers.... , 3.5X the cost for a do-it yourself major (which is me).

Don't get me wrong. I am not knocking this product. It looks nice and it is nice to see they are doing something to try and prevent the problems and backing it with a great warranty.

I think all the headers for these cars are rediculously priced, these are just a lot more than those even. If I walked around with money falling out of my butt, I would buy them though!

 

How do these seal where the primaries are springed to the collector? is this just a metal on metal "ball" fit, or is there a "seal" of some sort in there?

 

Why are exhaust components so expensive? Is it the stainless steel that drives the prices so high? Is it the labor? Is it because they're going into Ferraris that manufacturers drive up the price?

I know why diamonds are expensive, I know why black truffle are expensive and I also know why a luxury hotel can be expensive but I just can't get a fair understanding of why an aftermarket exhaust for a Ferrari is so pricey.

I paid 5000$ for my Fabspeed headers, y-pipe by pass and cat bypass pipes. I did so because I had no choice and it was more affordable than other options but it's still an insane expense (especially considering I am still running my stock muffler)

Some aftermarket complete exhaust systems sell for 1000$ to 2000$ on other cars, what is it about Ferrari that makes these systems 5000-12000$???

 

For those of you guys who are debating the price of the Supersprint system, would you mind starting your own thread? Matt at Campionishop is a new sponsor and this is supposed to be his product announcement thread. I don't think it is fair that we put sponsors into a defensive position when we don't agree with their selling prices. We could organize a group buy, or just choose not to purchase the product. Thank you for listening.

 

I don't think that censoring ourselves is the answer and our questions are not meant as an attack on any sponsor. This is supposed to be a forum where questions and answers should be welcome as long as they are written in a respectful and polite manner.

If Matt builds and/or sells exhausts, he is one of the best candidates to educate us on why they are so expensive and perhaps it will help with his sales to Fchat members.

Sometimes the amount of money is not the issue but we all work for our dollars and we want to spend it wisely. This thread is a great opportunity to have a dialogue with an exhaust sponsor and have him convince us that his product is the way to go vs. the competition

I am sure your intentions were good when you posted this but frankly driving Fchatters away from this thread onto another thread will not help the sponsor. Keeping people here talking and keeping this thread active is a lot better for a sponsor than taking our discussions and questions elsewhere. If you ask him, I'm sure Matt will agree...

 

If you purchase just the Headers which is an option since its a modular system it is less expensive then a Tubi but more then a Fabspeed. I don't think that is out of line. I will only use headers with proper heat shields so for me the Fabspeeds are not an option.

 

It's not the materials.....It's low production, R&D time, and the fact that your car says Ferrari on it, and the Chinese don't make them. If the chinese would knock these off, we could get them for a few hundred bucks. I bought a polished stainless steal 4-2-1 header that was nicely TIG welded for my last car for $35 NEW! Looked great, worked perfect, had no issues, had no leaks, and made good power. I know chinese steel is not supposed to be as good. But $35 new and someone still made money! I guess that's the difference between parts for a Honda motor vs a Ferrari.....

I don't support buying Chinese, but even Italy is still the same when it comes to not being American made.

 

A full Capristo or Tubi setup is 8-9k, no? This solution would seem to be similar and price to that.

That being said, I don't fully understand the pricing. The most expensive headers I can buy for my trans am are around $700. Cheapest are around $115 (I got these 10 years ago and put 30k miles on them and they're still fine?). I'm sure volume accounts for some of that pricing, but given I don't have a chevy engine in the car it's not a huge volume. Even custom 304 stainless headers are only $1975 here:

http://www.stainlessheaders.com/customheaders

I will likely use that service if/when I need headers and just design them myself using simulation tools and their kit. That or just send them my stock headers and have them duplicate them in 304 stainless.

 

OK, that seems like a fair counterpoint.

I don’t know anything Matt or his company, but I do know the previous North American distributor for Supersprint. They were a customer of mine in a past business. Speaking in general terms (not specific to their business), once the importer digests the factory’s price sheet, there are still indirect costs that need to be passed along to U.S. consumers via the selling price of the parts.

1) The importer has to pay for freight, customs clearance and duties.
2) The importer usually has to pay the factory in Euros. In 2011 the Dollar to Euro exchange varied from .69 to .75. That’s a minimum 6% delta that the importer either has to hedge for by purchasing Euro futures, or by setting his selling price high enough to cover a drop in the Dollar. Most of the smaller parts importers that I know do not purchase futures, they spot buy when their invoices become due. Luckily the dollar is stronger now, but that is primarily due to what is happening in Greece.

So, hypothetically, if I were importing auto parts from Europe to sell in the USA, I would factor in at least a 10% cost premium above the manufacturer’s invoice to cover my market-to-market expenses. Then I would have to take that invoice + 10% purchase cost, add in my margin to cover my G&A expenses (such as salaries, rent, utilities, and credit card processing) and then finally add in a reasonable profit margin above my G&A expenses to get to my selling price for US customers. That might be another 25-30% markup over purchase cost (which does not equate to a 25-30% GP because markup and gross profit are calculated differently. GP is always based off your selling price. Markup is always cost-up.)

Just my 2 cents from 24 years in the auto parts business. Not affiliated with the manufacturer in any way.

 

I understand the R&D aspect, but I guess what I'm saying is I'm not willing to pay an extra 2-3k for the R&D to get 5hp over stock. Juice isn't worth the squeeze. I'd rather duplicate the stock setup and buy 2 sets of track tires.

 

Its not about the extra 5 hp.......its about having the option to buy a better header.
You don't have to buy the whole system.
Most of us already have high flow cats, a tubi or a capristo......so we only need the header to replace those overpriced oem headers that are sure to fail.

 

+1

 

Hi Matt, Does Capristo use all new tubing for the factory style headers or do they just replace the damaged tubes. What type of stainless steel is used? Do they have heat shields or do you use the originals. Any pics? Thanks



Jimmy

 

The link shows a 5.2 header. Do they make one for a 2.7. The headers look nice. Are those heat shields Ferrari or Capristo. Is that the price of these manifolds on that link. I am more interested in a factory style header, just made better. Thanks



Jimmy

 

That link from capristo just shows the factory ferrari oem headers which meet the euro standard (which claim no pre cats.....but I don't think that the 355 ever had precats in the header....this was a 360/430 change.....).
Recambi may be able to source the 2.7 for you......try contacting Daniel.

 

If your looking for a better quality header then you have to go to an aftermarket header

 

Hi guys, I'm Roberto, the guy Matt talked about a while ago.
I just wanted to know that Supersprint is following closely your forum.
Matt is doing a great job so I'll just be here to give some information directly from our company.

We're always very busy as we make exhaust systems for every brand and all of them involve a long process with dyno testing, db level checking, reliability tests on the prototypes. It's hard to find the time to spend on older products.

Sadly, we've always been very good at finding the best way to squeeze power from cars, a bit less good at marketing our efforts, and much of our work goes unnoticed by the end customers.

Many products like the 355 headers don't have a good media library and we're trying to correct this, in fact in the next days/weeks I plan to take new pictures of the 355, 360, 430, 599 and 612 systems, starting right off with the 355.

Also, I want to say that we want to offer you guys the best deal possibile, giving the chance to Campioni Shop to offer group buys at prices that have never been matched anywhere in the world, not even in Italy.

We already gave Matt full technical support to answer your questions (see the heat shields, possibile compatibility issues etc).

I also want to involve the forum during the 458 development, with a day to day photo and video coverage.
We haven't started yet as the car owner didn't want to drive around with all the snow that fell down in the past weeks.

 

If each header manufacture was selling 25 headers per day, the Ferrari headers would be priced competitively with headers for American V8 engines made form 304 Stainless. Notice that the production rate of Ferrari V8s is only 8 cars per day. But I suspect the header manufactures are selling more like 0.025 headers per day in total, making each set of headers a one-off event in the various factories. Also note, many headers for American V8s use mild steel instead of good (304) or great (321 or 347) stainless steels.

I have priced out the materials to build a set of headers for my F355, containing premanufactured merge collectors (Burns) of appropriate sizes, and the 304 stainless costs blus brackets,... and it adds up rather quickly. Materials alone are close to 1/2 the total buyers price. Mandrel bent tubing (not as cut and weld U/J sections, but as: here are 19 different steps; bends, lengths, and angles, give me a tube this shape) minimizes the labor overhead.

Nothing minimizes the amount of work required to figure out what those shapes, lenghts, bend angles should be for best performance.