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Restoration of Miura 1021

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  1. joe sackey

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    Are you going to go faithful to original interior livery & spec?
     
  2. alberto

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    #27 alberto, Feb 7, 2012
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    Just before the engine was taken out, I decided to look carefully at the underside for rust, taking measurements of the wheel base, checking for square, etc. As it turns out, the driver's side was some 12 mm shorter than the passenger' side. Uh oh, not good.

    Note how wavy the bottom pan is. The drop downs at the passenger and driver's position are unique to these early cars and was done to increase headroom in the car. Notice also the very simple air scoop. The bolts you see are where someone bolted lap seat belts. I don't know why they selected this mounting location, because even though the car is a 1967, it has lap seat belt mounting points in the normal Miura locations (on the sides), but they were not used. :confused:

    Look behind the air scoop to the rear most chassis cross member. On almost every Miura these are no longer straight, victims of hydraulic jacks and mechanics who don't know better. This area is routinely used to jack the car up by said mechanics. For pete's sake, DON'T do this!!

    Although these are common rust areas for Miura's, the next pictures show some of the rust that simply made my blood run cold: there went my idea of a quick and light restoration. 40 years takes its toll on humans and machines aren't really that different I guess.
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  3. alberto

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    Obsessively so. There are a million details to track, but my goal is to have the car be as close as to the way it came out of the factory as I can, save a few exceptions.

    For the sake of originality, I am doing a few things no one or very few seem to have done to this point.

    For example, I do not intend to have the car gapped to within a micron of its life. The gaps will be kept as close to how they were when the car was built as possible (fortunately, the car has NOT been gapped during its prior repaints).

    I am going through great pains to procure the original carpet material, which heretofore has not been available for many, many years.

    The interior will be done in the correct vinyl materials including seat inserts and I have also sourced all of the correct rubber materials for the floor. I am using the same upholsterer that Gary uses on his restorations; interestingly, he tells me that in all of the Miura restorations he has done, no one has asked him to use the original interior vinyl and rubber material (heel pads), everyone has converted to leather and used heel pad material not exactly like the original.

    I will be covering that beautiful wood steering wheel with leather, as was done on original Miura's, including copying the somewhat unique stitching pattern used on the early ones (your book has an excellent picture of the stitching used on the prototype, if you have more, please share, that's what I intend to follow for the steering wheel).

    I am removing the mph speedo and replacing it with a kph one, the Fahrenheit temp gauge has been redone so that it reads in Centigrade (both the speedo and the temp gauge were likely converted to standard units when it was imported to the US), etc., etc., etc.

    I will make a few safety related deviations from original, such as installing 3 point safety belts, although I sourced the proper Kangol three point belts used in later Miura's, so it will look correct to the untrained eye. I will also retain the fire out system that I had installed a few years ago, although I likely will remount it in a less obtrusive location than over the front cross member, where they are typically installed, assuming I can work it out.

    I intend to make only one purposeful cosmetic deviation, which is to use all charcoal vinyl interior, instead of charcoal vinyl interior with black vinyl seats.

    I assume that some will criticize my doing some of these things. But things like not gaping the car and using vinyl instead of leather for the interior is what it takes to truly restore a car in keeping with the original.
     
  4. joe sackey

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    I think Luis has mostly done interiors on SVs ergo the use of leather in most cases. However I have seen a car in which he did the grey vinyl and it was fabulous. If I were you, I would go 100% faithful to original specs, including black seats, grey console etc. Did your car not have the black basket-weave seat inserts?
     
  5. alberto

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    He's done S's and P400's too, all leather. In fact he used my car as a pattern for 1066 when he redid it (in leather).

    Basket weave inserts have been sourced (and they are vinyl, BTW). I also have pictures of details like how they do not cover the entire front bottom portion of the seat to save material, and mine will be done identically. I assure you no one else is doing seats that way when they redo them, 'cause it looks half assed, but if Ferruccio said it was ok, who the hell am I to argue?
     
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    #31 alberto, Feb 9, 2012
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    Like this; not the prettiest termination, but completely original with Ferruccio's approval:
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    Are you sure that the doors were the same length when it left the factory?

    I don't know about Miuras but when I was looking to fit some different mirrors on my Bora I made up a cardboard profile that fit the drivers door curves perfectly from the top edge down so that I could see if the mirror I wanted to use would mount in a nice flush manner.

    Well when I took that profile and put it on the passenger side door in was way off. You can't see it with your eye but obviously the bucks they used to form the door skins were very different left to right.

    I got my car with about 3,000 miles on it and it looks crude underneath just like your Miura does.

    Sometimes we need to remember that they really are hand made. Not like a Rolls Royce either!


     
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    #33 PSk, Feb 9, 2012
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    Yes I wondered that too. It is only now that we believe these cars should be dead straight particularly underneath. My Alfa Romeo 1750 GTV that I am restoring was not as much hand made as your Bora and this Miura but it still has welds that look like the very first weld that the welder had ever done, and the radiator support panel for example is crooked as, and while I was restoring that area and could have straightened it, I didn't and left it as it was. Apparently GTC's are terribly put together underneath and restorers have to go to the extra effort of making their work look equally as bad ... which must be a difficult thing to do. GTC's differences would have been hand built.

    So yes those wrinkles and the wheelbase difference might be exactly as it was out of the factory. Also with the wheelbase difference, that might be by design (See Napolis's thread on this subject)
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    #34 alberto, Feb 9, 2012
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    In due time you'll see why the wheelbase difference was not factory, but due to the accident reported by Menser. Of course, I did not know this at the time I took the measurements. As it turns out, Miura wheelbase dimensions are pretty consistent (for undamaged cars); I checked a few of the cars at Gary's shop and they were pretty consistent.

    As to the floor pan, the waviness is due to chassis flexing I think and to the prior accident. Mine was wavier than most untouched Miura's.

    Here are some detail pictures. On the early Miura's, the voltage regulator is mounted at the rear of the car, next to the alternator. The voltage regulator was quickly moved to the front of the car, I presume to get it out of the engine heat.

    The knobs on the early Miura's are the same as used on many of the 350/400GT's.

    Next are the stampings on a few of the bolt heads. Some have fared the years better than others.
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    So what's the thinking then on the door length differences? Just curious.
     
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    When/Where did he say the doors were different? I wondered what you were on about earlier, I think you've misread Alberto.
     
  12. joe sackey

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    Nobody gets to see that really, so again, following originality means there is no explaining to be done.
     
  13. staatsof

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    That is funny. I just went back and read it again and saw the same thing i saw the first time ... except that it's not there! Brain fart. My bad.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3FnpaWQJO0[/ame]
     
  14. alberto

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    What number is that one? Are those seats original upholstery?
     
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    3216. Special-order mohair seats. The gentleman walked into the factory and showed Sgarzi a picture of the seats of his new Porsche 904 and said "I want these". Long story. Guy still has the car. 90 years old...
     
  16. alberto

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    Could you ask/check if the steering wheel is padded under the leather? All of the pictures I've seen seem to look like the leather is thicker than it should look like if it was directly on the wood, so I suspect their is some padding. If at all possible, can the circumference or diameter be measured on this original car?
     
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    Sure.

    He is often away so it make take some time, but I think he will be happy to do it for another Miura owner.
     
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    Nice licery. VIN (if possible)?
     
  20. joe sackey

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    Indeed, its 3598.
     
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    All the other cars were bought new, still owned today, and have about 2,000 + miles on them. One man's persistent dream. Got my eye on the Miura.
     
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    Thank you for the information.
     
  23. alberto

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    #48 alberto, Feb 11, 2012
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    On to the bottom end. As you can see, the bearings were completely shot. Gary calls me and tells me "You are one lucky S.O.B., if you had driven that car another 20 miles you would have blown the engine." Indeed I had been feeling uneasy about the engine for some time now, which is what lead me to decide to rebuild it. It's important to listen to that little voice we all have.

    Venolia pistons were installed when the engine was last rebuilt. They will be replaced for JE pistons. Gary tells me that the connecting rod bolts are the improved, Countach style bolts. I will retain them. Con rods will be kept.

    The bearing damage naturally also affected crank. It are being rewelded and remachined. I will be having the rotating mass balanced. Note the chamfering of the oil holes, this was done during the last rebuilt.
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    Why are the bearings in such terrible condition?
     
  25. alberto

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    Bob:

    I have no idea. I really wish I knew. I can only guess that the engine was run dry, or perhaps rev'd up right at start. The car was not run very many miles since the prior rebuild when I bought it. I've been thinking hard about a pre-oiler system, but can't figure out a way to hide the damn thing to it's not visible.
     

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