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  1. f308jack

    f308jack F1 Rookie

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    Gents, I'm speechless!

    I didn't expect such quick and to the point responses.

    Mails have been fired off to both suppliers, if not one, between both we should get all we need, hopefully fast too, as this is preventing me from getting the car home.

    Thank you!

    Jack..
     
  2. Maserati Blue

    Maserati Blue Formula Junior

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    The York compressor is widely available and there shouldn't be a problem finding one. I've seen two kinds, one with a silver casing and one with black casing.
     
  3. red27

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    Jack, for compressor, try

    www.rparts.com in the us. They list the 206 ex York, now by climate control for $391 without valves. Looks exactly like the one on mcgrath's page, which I think is about £1000 good luck!

    Mark
     
  4. f308jack

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    Much obliged for all the good info, thank you Gents!

    It appears that the compressor is commonly available, either in original form or with increased capacity.

    The cable and fixings for it are also available.

    The problem seems to be the clutch/pulley. Our whole assembly was lost, all bolts, fixings, cable, valves, pulley, the lot.

    Right now I'd be most interested in finding an original clutch/pulley assembly in good condition, or something that could be modified to work. I don't mind drilling the hole for the drive-cable bolt.

    I can't bring myself to putting an electric waterpump on the car....
     
  5. staatsof

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    Given all the stories I've heard over the years about this setup it might not be a half bad idea.

    It would just look terrible..
     
  6. f308jack

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    Bob,

    Yes it would!

    Well, basically everything is located, apart from the clutch/pulley. This part is shared with Ghibli, QP1, Mexico and Indy. I'll open a general top[ic outside of the Khamsin area to reach those with the other cars. Someone must have dismantled one of these!
     
  7. staatsof

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    Just how does a rebuilder lose something as weird looking as that setup?

    Can you search their facility yourself?

    Bring a gun when you go ... :)
     
  8. f308jack

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    Bob, I'm as puzzled as you are, but this is Africa. Anything is possible here.

    The shop is taking responsibility, so I'd think they did look for it properly, although it crossed my mind to ask again. I suppose they have insurance for this sort of thing.

    That's all good and well, but by itself it doesn't help me back on the road. From MIE i learn that the setup is the same for Mexico, Ghibli, QP-1, Indy and Khamsin. Someone must have a clutch and pulley...
     
  9. thecarnut

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    I have one. Did they also loose the magnet or do you still have it? Contact me at [email protected]

    Ivan
     
  10. f308jack

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    Ivan,

    that's great news! I sent you a mail: they lost everything!

    Thanks,

    Jack.
     
  11. dmj

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    Hello.

    I am an automotive journalist and at the moment I'm preparing a story of only Khamsin in Croatia for one of the next issues of Evo magazine. Thus, after some phone conversations and email exchange with owner I tried to search for details and found that this particular thread seems to be the best one available. Khamsin registry doesn't offer much info (even modelcar page omits three Khamsins that I have in my personal collection), only here I found chassis number (062) mentioned for that particular car. I have yet to see it (it's on other side of the country and we are in midst of worst snowstorms in about a century; however, a lot of videos are available at YouTube if you type Khamsin Croatia), it is well known for years and in same family possesion since Seventies.

    However, I'm looking for any additional data on that particular car that might be known to you. Could anyone verify the chassis number, I saw it mentioned only here, not in registry? Also, it obviosly dates the car in 1974. but does anyone have an idea about approximate date when it was built? I'm asking because owner told me that first owner of the car was Emerson Fittipaldi and that 'he made some test drive around Monza in it'. I saw in this thread that identity of car driven by Fittipaldi for the road test has yet to be confirmed. One would presume that it might be an earlier car or prototype but who knows, if dates are right and if owner has some documents to prove that claim maybe we can solve a mystery. I should mention that car was originally intended for Italian market and probably delivered there...

    But obviously only source of information I have comes from the owner and I wouldn't like to repeat any such claims in my forthcoming article without a proof. It is a beautiful and fascinating car anyway so there is no need to adding to the myth.

    Thank you in advance. :)
     
  12. Maserati Blue

    Maserati Blue Formula Junior

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    Welcome dmj,

    the owner of the Khamsin registry is Marc and I am sure he will be happy to help you with any questions.

    You may also contact the factory directly at the Classic department, you want to talk to Mr. Fabio Collina. He is very helpful and a great source of historical information.
     
  13. Nembo1777

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    #3088 Nembo1777, Feb 12, 2012
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    DMJ:

    Welcome:

    The MKR is just a grand word for a database, to be clear. I will be happy to help you. I have right now folders on 291 identified cars and a further 40 or 50 unidentified in my database with over 4000 photos. It became clear more than six years ago that putting it all on the website would be far too costly as I have to pay a webmaster to do so. therefore the data is not in the website but in my computer and back up device. That being said I don't charge anything if someone asks for information on a particular car as I am not in this to make a profit. My humble endeavour is to promote the appreciation of a car which was always misunderstood and never got the attention it deserved because it was born at the wrong time, smack in the energy crisis and because the US version was disfigured worse than any other European car ever was.
    The car tested by Emerson Fittipaldi in Quattroruote magazine is AM120*024 as confirmed by factory historian Ermanno Cozza, current wherabouts unknown. Fabio Collina is his successor though mr Cozza still comes in once a week and remains very helpful as is Fabio.

    I will post later on today what I have on Mr I.P.'s AM120062.

    Here are photos of young world Champion Emerson Fittipaldi and AM120028 at the circuito di Casale in north west Italy summer 1974. I posted them here before but a long time ago.

    best regards,

    Marc
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  14. dmj

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    Thank you, Marc.

    If there are any unanswered questions about that car, I may try to help when we'll do the shooting and article, Mr. I.P. is very keen on providing details about his car as he seems to be a huge Khamsin fan. He told me that his father used to have a Mexico before, it has been sold to a US collector back in 70s.

    Apart from this car only pre-Biturbo era Maserati in my country is a black Mistral, I put the pic to another thread.

    Regards,
    Dino
     
  15. Nembo1777

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    #3090 Nembo1777, Feb 12, 2012
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    Here at last are some shots of 018 at the Artcurial auction, cell phone shots, not the greatest sorry.

    The car still presented well in 2005 at the preceding Artcurial auction where Bajol had bought it but while he really drove his cars he did not really take care of this one as is obvious.

    You can see the early style interior and yes build assembly quality was not the best initially.
    In the second group of photos in the next post you can see the orange paint peeking out.

    If someone posting or reading here bought it I would love to hear from you and will maintain confidentiality if desired. I hope it gets restored and yes it would be special to have it in orange again....no need for matching bell bottom pants though!

    best regards,

    Marc
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  16. Nembo1777

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    #3091 Nembo1777, Feb 12, 2012
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    The second batch of 018...with, again, one shot of it new in the 1974 article in l'Automobile, yes it had the smooth nose initially.

    Regarding AM120062 to answer DMJ:

    I got some information a few years ago from Jurica Mandic who knows the owner, essentially nothing more than what you already know i.e. that his father traded a Mexico for the K 25 years ago all original car in the Split, Croatia area. The data can be found by searching with chassis number and yes there are some very nice videos of it on Youtube.

    As you say no other Khamsins there but there is now one, AM120US1160, being restored by a German engineer in the Czech republic so perhaps that could be an interesting meeting if not to far. There is one also in Poland, AM120276 but I have alas lost touch he has disappeared.

    best regards,


    MS
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  17. au-yt

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  18. abarth69

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    Looks like 1228 will have a new home in Southern Ontario Canada in the next couple of weeks. It will be my first Maserati for me in the family and a much different car then my previous little 1959 Fiat Abarth Gt750.

    I hope I can add some value to this wonderful little space on the net.

    A big thanks to Marc S who over the last couple of weeks who helped me in my decision process to find a car.

    The first order of business will be to clean up my little garage so we can make room for it fit along with my wife’s 1953 Austin Healey

    Cheers
    Mark
     
  19. Nembo1777

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    #3094 Nembo1777, Feb 13, 2012
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    Mark:

    Congratulations and welcome!

    As mentioned really glad that one 5 speed US car is remaining in North America after seeing so many cross the ocean as soon as they become available on the market.

    We look forward to your updates and to helping you enjoy 1228!

    Hello Graeme:

    No that is arancione, NOT rame. In comparison please find below two photos each of 016 (taken in 2007 before its current restoration and color change) and 392 which are rame.

    Arancione (Itaélian for orange) is not on the list I once received years ago from the factory but it is common for these lists to have add ons.

    http://www.maseratikhamsinregistry.com/specs_1.html

    Regarding special colors on request that may well have been the case: there were some very rare colors and we are talking about such minute quantities...for example 332 in the Flemish part of Belgium in a discrete collection used to be tobacco. 314 in Austria has a unique dark olive green shade, a unique olive green interior....as well as countless other differences from standard.

    best regards,

    Marc
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  20. Maserati Blue

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  21. Nembo1777

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    Hello Maserati Blue:

    Yes discussed here before at lenght in recent months, not so positively alas: there are some concerns.

    Do a search withing the Maserati section for AM120US1212.

    best regards,

    Marc
     
  22. Maserati Blue

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    thank you for the prompt reply and the information, much appreciated!
     
  23. gopp

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    Hi Marc,

    Just to elaborate a bit about the Norwegian that walked away. He wanted a Euro car, not a converted US Khamsin, and that's the main reason he turned the car down. I don't know the reasons the Swede didn't buy it.

    Best regards
    Marius

     
  24. MK1044

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    Marc,

    Do you care to make some conjecture as to the color? It seems a light green. Is it the Azzuro Artico Indy 106 A 51? Also, thanks for the photos of the orange car. The Khamsin really looks great in that color also.

    Carmine
     
  25. au-yt

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    The "orange" car at the show looks teriffic and I am glad to see it hasnt go a Black interior.

    Graeme
     

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