New Ferrari requires lots of work, Massa says

From who? Are you nuts? Seriously, really? I have yet to hear anything negative anywhere regarding MB in F1, and I consider myself to be on the of biggest MB fans around and read every article in every language on the planet. Really now, please please give me your source oh grand poobah of all techincal information. lol. funny


And last time I checked, Ferrari is the one who fired Costa then built a concept based on an Arrows front end lol. Who's questioning who? Ferrari is about to get their rear handed to them (pardon the pun) on a silver platter by not only MB but very possibly Lotus too.

 

Yup, was in an article I read just a few days ago. If I find it again I'll post the link.

BTW: This is not my opinion. I applaud anybody bold enough to take on F1, particularly a car manufacturer. I'm no MB fan but I'm happy they are in F1.

 

Facts are a pain though. They've been in F1 a total of two seasons after taking over the seriously cut back Brawn skeleton team, and then MB had to rebuild, which they have been. They're in 4th place and about to take 3rd or even 2nd. That's not bad by any account. And also, the MB employees in Germany love having an F1 team by a massive majority. It's not going anywhere, and articles such as whatever you are preparing to cite are indeed rare as this is the first one I have ever heard of. What's more massively asinine is anyone harping on a team which has been in the game all of two seasons. Give me a break. There's not an eye roll big enough for a media which publishes this stuff.

 

F1 is a team sport and the WCC recognizes the entire team. If for no other reason than that it has importance.

 

Thanks. This is Ferrari chat not Alonso Chat after all

 

Winning the WDC requires a team effort too, as the driver does not build and prepare the car ... so again the WCC is not required.

Pete

 

No. The WDC trophy has only one name on it.

 

It might but the car goes hand in hand with it. Like I said I can just about tell you off the top of my head which car the WDC was driving since 1950.

Anyway this will go on forever. Last comment: The WCC is a consulation price that only has some weight to some teams (lower level ones) because of the Concorde agreement and TV money. Teams near the top are not as dependent on this money as they have proved themselves and are in the running for the real prize: the WDC and thus sponsors are easier to find.
Pete

 

Boooold statement! I'll bet you a case of beer Ferrari outpoints MB this year.

 

I agree, the WDC is clearly more sought after. Both are important, and like someone said, Ferrari was happy to win the WCC in 1999 but the real celebrations began in 2000 when they finally bagged the WDC after all those years.

 

There's no doubt that the WDC is the more celebrated award. If only because people find it easier to identify with an individual than with an organization.
That really doesn't argue against awarding the WCC though.

 

I'm not a betting man, but you will certainly be afforded my permission to have carte blanche on bragging rights if I am wrong. My reasoning behind this is technically sound as MB have had greater advancements over the past year than Ferrari have, especially with Ferrari's new ride. Mercedes' technical department is either on par with Ferrari's or better now and they have had more time to work with one another making for a more synergistic environment. Ferrari has a lot of new people and are going a very different direction with a front end that makes sense to no one but Ferrari at the moment as it was last used on a terrible Arrows car. W03 is not anything radically different from W02 which was not a terrible car as it had a couple fundamental issues which hampered its success. W03 is essentially a W02 with the kinks worked out where Ferrari has done a complete about-face with their design in its entirety, which I guarantee will not be understood and optimized any time soon.

I wish Tifosi12 would provide some technical logic behind his statements to provide substance behind his theories specifying when a team will do well or not, after all F1 is a technical sport. Something other than some strange offshoot media ramblings at least.

 

Hey, make your own bets!


I already have one like that with Barbazza and I'm pretty sure I'm gonna win it. Merc will not leapfrog Ferrari. Not now, not ever.

 

Please provide a technical reason why other than some romantic notion that Ferrari are this infallible source of F1 greatness? It's getting old, and the more I ask without an answer the more I know you don't have an answer. Which I don't think you do, at least not a logical one as Ferrari have hampered their technical prowess as of mid 2011.

 

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Please people. Add logic to the approach. Ferrari took 5 years to win once Brawn/Schu/Byrne arrived. Ferrari are now in a learning curve with new ideas the same way RB5 was, and it of course didn't win right away even when it did have the DDD, but eventually of course it did and it birthed RB6 all the way to RB8. Ferrari could very well be headed in that direction, but not this year. Too much rebuilding going on there with this very new approach.


As for Mercedes, W02 was a very solid car with some minor fundamental issues which required sorting. W03 is simply an evolution of that then they will be in good shape, especially considering the field has been leveled a bit with the subtraction of the EBD. MB have learned a lot and Bell has had himself buried in Brackley working on W03 for who knows how long now. Also, MB really one-upped the field with their rear suspension system and f-duct as they are indeed impressive technologies to have not only sampled, but to have deduced their function to a runnable state. I am certainly expecting something much better than W02 in terms of fit and finish, and of course function.

What's funny is I remember discussing the f-duct in detail here last year, and some posters here (you know who you are) said it's an easily implimented technology despite Whitmarsh advising that if a team did not already have their hands around the technology it was too late. Well well, here we are and NO ONE, not a soul other than MB is able to run it. Fancy that.


A very reliable source advised me that not only is W03 going through shake down tomorrow, but I know where it's being shaken down. PM me for details if anyone wants to go and spy lol.

 

Publish it!......

My guess would be Silverstone if you just want to "confirm"?

Then we can ask in the UK forum and see if anyone can make it.

Cheers,
Ian

 

Rockingham. I know some guys on a technical forum who are going to try and hide in a bush lol. Security is already out there making sure it's not eye-balled.

 

Thanks! - I'd already asked in the UK section - Now updated to reflect Rockingham....

I know nothing about the place, but suspect it's a *lot* more difficult to get a look-see there than at Silverstone.

Having said that, wasn't there someone on here who works there? That may be our "in"

Cheers,
Ian

 

Good call Ian. I am not below bribery either. Anyone living in San Francisco can probably attest to someone dressed up as the 'bush man' could probably get away with this pretty easily. haha

 

jeez. This doesn't help one bit does it. From Rockingham's website:

"The site is overseen by 24-hour security and is sheltered from inquisitive photographers"





I still think a cleverly disguised bushman could get through......
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BTW, I fixed the original post

"Massa requires lots of work, Ferrari says"




Bill

 

+1

Wow! Very cool. I'm not familiar with the story on that pic - Looks a lot like S.F., but a new one on me - Mind filling us in on the story? [With apologies for the hijack!]

Cheers,
Ian

 

Last hijack I swear!


The bush man? He is legendary down by the pier area in San Francisco. He disguises himself as a bush (obviously) and then jumps out at some unsuspecting tourist or whoever and terrifies the life out of them. There are many impersonators but only one original and he is very difficult to spot (duh, he's a bush right). I bet he could get into Rockingham and snap some pics

 

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