Would you buy a 360 with paintwork?

I’m need some advice. I’m looking to buy a 2004 360 and just found out that it’s had paintwork on the two front fenders and hood. It doesn’t look like there’s any structural damage and the Autocheck doesn’t show any accidents, but there is overspray in many places, and the paintwork was not done properly (imperfections in the paint).

Would you still buy this car?

How much less is this car now worth?

Thanks!

 

Are you certain it is not the poor factory paint? Did someone disclose the paintwork or did you us a meter?

 

No paint meter. But, there is a good bit of overspray on bolts and joints, and the paint on those body panels show a lot of imperfections when using an infrared light.

 

Try a meter and you may find it is factory. I thought the same thing when i was looking at cars but borrowed a meter and was able to validate the sellers claims of no paint. Also if it was painted it could just be cosmetic which would deduct some value. Have a shop put it on a lift and look for evidence of panel replacement such as turned bolts.

 

I would only buy one with a front bumper respray, which has happened on the majority of them, unless a clear bra was installed at time of delivery.

There are so many options and cars available, pass and look at another.

 

Paint work?

Car could have been keyed, then sprayed. Not a big deal.

It could have gotten a scrape from a bicycle in the home garage, then sprayed. No big deal.

Car could have been buffed through by a detail kid. Then sprayed. No big deal.

I saw one that had fenders painted from tree sap removal damage. No big deal.

It's what 8 years old? Paint work can & does happen. You have to use your head & consider how minor or major this could be. Then price accordingly. No need to pass until the details (good or bad) are stated.

 

+1000000

 

I'm with him

 

Well if the price if far enough below a perfect example with similar miles, factor in a good paint correction and you are good to go.

If the price doesn't factor this in, like I said, find some more options.

When buying my 458 and my Scud, I had like 4-5 cars that I was interested in each time. So if one deal didn't pan out, I had more options to fall back on.

 

Like mentioned the car is not new and may have had a respray at some point from something. Get a PPI and have them check with a meter, it is nit uncommon that Ferrari OEM paint is like that. If the price does not meet your criteria or you know it eill bother you it looking like that then keep looking, there are many other 360's out there

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I passed on two cars with paintwork even though they were the "cheapest" on the market.
It all depends on your comfort level, but as mentioned, you need to know the details and I'd want records of that paintwork. If its fender work, you want to rule out if anything under the fender was damaged structurally.
Front bumper respray seems common.

 

I agree on the PPI, but I've had a dealer tell me no paintwork by running paint meter.
Brought in my friend who runs a dealership and he ran his hands over the car and pointed out obvious fender repair. So you have to trust the guy doing your inspection.

 

SH&$ happens used cars without paint work are few and far between I would be concerned about structural damage not paint work.

 

Why not be concerned with both?

 

Paint, schmaint.

Even Mt. Vernon and Monticello get fresh paint occasionally. For me (again, just my perspective), it wouldn't be an issue whatsoever.

 

me personally i don't care if a car has a paintwork .. if it's done right .

if you went to the dealer and picked up a new Ferrari and went to pick up your wife for a ride to show her the new car . and well you are @ the light some dummy slam in to your car .the insurance gonna fix your car and most likely it's gonna look just like nothing happened before .. but your car has a history now and worth 10-30 thousands less.. is that fair ????

 

From my own experience....

Many cars get a re-spray or birthday especially once the years and stone chips add up. This can also entail fenders. The fenders are prone to splitting under the rim and this can require respray, if so might as well do both.

I had a minor accident in the front(BTW not my fault). Because the panels are aluminium any bending will normally require replacement. Go look at the parts on Ricambi to get an idea for the nose because anything bent will require the bonding of replacement parts to the good ones. **** happens.

The big concern is structural, this can be checked by taking off the front bumper and using a laser measurement to determine whether the car is straight and within factory spec. From what I understand this is the only real way of determining straightness unless it is obviously bent when you drive it.


Once I figured out the car was relatively straight I would focus heavily on servicing. For me this is way more important that whether the car had a fender replaced or a respray. For me a storied car needs to written off, rolled, smashed badly in the rear front or side, where the airbags deploy etc etc.

Happy to be corrected on any of the above.

 

yeah unless you're a collector and it's a CS or some rare car.. why not? There's tons of 360s out there it's not a collector item.. just get the best one.. I'd take a nicely painted 360 as long as no structural damage. Scratches, getting key'd.. minor fender benders are no big deal.

 

Ferraris have very average paint out of the factory. Resprays are no big deal and as long as the car was not involved in a major accident the car is fine. You did mention the areas that were resprayed looked less than acceptable so in that case the price of the car should reflect the poor paintwork. If the paintwork bothers you look for a different example to purchase or factor in the cost to redo the areas in need of correction.

 

To the OP,

Would I? Yes.

I'm not adverse to repainting but my preference would always be for a car with factory paint. I've never encountered repainting that's on a par with original factory paint (assuming that the original was done properly in the first place).

Paint in the areas you describe sounds like it may have been done for more than a tidy up. I'd like to see photographs and/or a damage report prior to the repairs. I'd like to see the invoice for the work. You describe shoddy workmanship in terms of over-spray and finish. This doesn't give me any comfort as the previous owner must have been too tight to pay for quality work or too dumb to notice the difference and my suspicion is that maybe he had a similar attitude to the rest of the car.

Would I still buy the car? I might - depends on lots of things - price, mileage, your intended use, your intended length of ownership etc.

What's it worth? You haven't given nearly enough information for me to comment. I don't know your geographical market. If I was prepared to take the car I'd want a discount on what it would be worth without those repairs and the amount of the discount I'd want would depend very much on the above.

 

I am unbelievably fanatical about my 2000 360.
Every single piece on that car must be perfect. My mechanic tells me that it has the cleanest engine compartment he has ever seen. I regularly clay and wax the car, wipe it down with a duster after every drive before I cover it, no matter how short. I have Brian Crall fix every tiny thing on the car that is not perfect.
I had the hood, front fenders and front bumper repainted by the guy who paints the million+ dollar concourse Ferraris to get rid of the rock chips.
Would you buy my car?

 

Question to be asked is ...can you buy one without paint work. Most Ferrari gets paint work once off the boat aside from damage from normal driving

 

Yes I would, but you are using a good painter. The car he is talking about was resprayed by, will use Top Gear's language, APES.

Like I have said before, have some more options, getting hooked on one specific car is not wise. There are ton's available to choose from, unless you are hooked on maybe a pink car or something, but even that can be fixed by SoftwareDrone's painter.

 

definitely would! rock chips happen and the most prone areas are the hood, mirrors, front bumper, lower valances, and rear bumper directly behind the rear tires. As long as there is no damage history from crashes or abuse then you should expect resprays on these items. If the car has what you want in options and condition but has a known respray that you can not detect buy it. I would only walk away on a respray if it looks like a MACO job done with a spray can.

 

Of course.

I had the front bumper resprayed on mine (as folks here may recall after my dumb decision to remove the clear bra on it). That did not suddenly make the car slower or less reliable and it looked showroom new.

My 348 had "paint work" before I bought it and l did not have problems with it because of it. I sold it for slightly more than I paid to boot.