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  1. Nembo1777

    Nembo1777 F1 World Champ

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    Hi all!

    Maserati Blue you are welcome.

    Marius yes I know S wanted a Euro car but the swede, L went to see this car twice and both times there were issues that caused serious concern. That car has some things that are a bit worrying.

    Carmine someone here once joked that if I like fly yellow it is because I must be color blind:) In any case I am not sure about which green that is though I will find out and post here.

    Graeme: the car in the show is 392 rame but the lights yes make it look orange.

    best regards,

    Marc
     
  2. gopp

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    More pictures of rame metalizato can be seen in this ad:
    http://www.finn.no/finn/car/used/viewimage?finnkode=31849306

    The Merak belongs to a friend of mine, and was resprayed in this color last year. When it's not direct sunlight the cars color is best described as "copper". On the pictures it looks bright orange.

    Nice color for a car from the 70ies.

    Ciao Marius
     
  3. paul328

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    I took the windscreen out of the car as it was leaking water at the bottom edges

    Luckily only a bit of surface corrosion on the bottom rail of about 2cm.

    Will put the screen back in when get that sorted

    the top of the dash is a bit stained and i was thinking of just dying it as otherwise it is in good conditionand seems pointless to replace. I understand it is made of alcantara?
    Any advice or products colour code for dyeing it? it is the chocolate brown colour

    My car is light metalic gold. See pic on wikepedia

    Anyone know the paint codes? It was resprayed by someone on the Isle of Wight UK for maserati UK when they owned it as part of the heritage collection. It looks an original colour. Are one or two other minor bits i want touched up at same time

    Thanks

    Paul
    UK

    Anyone know the paint shop?
     
  4. MK1044

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    Marc,

    My musical ability is similar. :)

    Carmine
     
  5. tazandjan

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    #3105 tazandjan, Feb 14, 2012
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    You got me curious about the Castrol LHM and possible substitutes like Pentosin and ATF. Castrol LHM is a mineral oil based hydraulic fluid, while Pentosin CHF11S, and most modern ATFs that meet GM's Dexron III standards, are synthetic fluids. The same goes for Tutella CS Speed, used in F1 and power steering systems on Ferraris, and really an ATF with no dye.

    No clue on whether one of the synthetics like Pentosin or Tutella Speed will work as a substitute for the LHM, so y'all be careful now. Looks like the LHM is not that hard to find, at any rate.

    Specs on LHM. I have them for the Pentosin, too, if anybody wants to see them.
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  6. staatsof

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  7. tazandjan

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    Bob- Easy to find and cheap. No reason to swap.

    You are correct, the Pentosin CHF7.1 is also a mineral oil based hydraulic fluid. I had done research on the CHF11S as a substitute for Tutellas CS for my F1 system.
     
  8. gopp

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  9. MK1044

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    Marius,

    I'm curious. Do you people in Norway ever get to drive on non-snowy, non-slippery roads? :)

    Farvel,
    Carmine
     
  10. wbaeumer

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    Hope you got the salt out of the engine compartment as the inner wheel houses are open to that section.

    I would never ever drive a Khamsin -or any other classic car- on salty roads............

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  11. abarth69

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    Hey Marius

    Send us some of that snow we have had very little this year and our Yamaha Sleds have been sitting in the trailer all winter long



    Cheers
    Mark
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  12. tazandjan

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    Last time I was in Norway, they did not salt the roads, but graded and sanded them. Lived in Oslo for three years.

    Marius- Does the Oslo Fjord still freeze every winter like it did when I lived there?
     
  13. staatsof

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    I can pickup either the Castrol or Pentosin flavors at my local store for the same price so that's what I did for the last 20 years.

    I haven't done any extensive research on the differences between LHM spec and LHM+ spec but I found this so far:

    LHM Plus Central Hydraulic Fluid

    All-purpose high performance hydraulic fluids formulated foe central hydraulic systems such as power steering, rear axle steering, level control, hydro-pneumatic suspension, and shock absorbers.
    Ideal for cold weather climates
    Operating temperature range from -40 Deg F to +275 Deg F
    Works perfectly under extreme temperature changes
    Used by more than 25 global vehicle manufacturers as OE first-fill
    Meets DIN 51 524T3 and ISO 7308 specifications standards
    Developed for use in Citroen and Peugeot Models
    Meets Peugoet specification PSA B71 2710
    Superior quality when compared to older LHM fluids

    Pentosin also offers a LHM+ but I've not seen it here locally in the stores.

    BTW, just googled LHM and I had not realized in this text message oriented world that it's an acronym for:

    Lord Have Mercy. :) Uh oh!
     
  14. John Berg

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    Gentlemen,

    I’m in a hurry to get ready to meet all of you in France this summer – I will do my outmost and have taken the time 100 % off until then, then I can’t do any better, without a little help from my friends.

    My friends in this intense fight will be this forum of Maserati Khamsin enthusiasts and the biggest source of knowledge of all – I will have to count on some help here as I will run into problems you all know the right answer and have the reply on hand.

    I hope you will support my effort of getting the car ready in time and you help will be much appreciated!

    I know that many answers will be found in the 156 pages of the forum I just ask for shortcuts to find the if possible!

    Thanks in advance to all of you!

    Best regards
    John

    First question - have any of you a EU version and real glass in the rear / lamps, have any had luck to cut hole is the hardened glass?
     
  15. Nembo1777

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    #3115 Nembo1777, Feb 15, 2012
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    John:

    You can do it you are a winner and you can count on me and I am sure all the tech experts here!

    Here are photos of the rear with actual glass and its specifications on AM120US1250 which had been in Scottsdale Arizona then with a Dutch dealer Lusso and has been for years in the Loheac France Manoir de l'automobile museum where I took these shots in october 2007.

    By the way the media magnate Michel Hommell who owns the musem (300 cars) and a slew of French car magazines showed up just then which led to a very friendly chat. Then I saw him at Retromobile 2 weeks ago, he was with Peter Mullin in his reception area amiddst the Bugattis and Delahaye's and I tried (convinced I was wasting my time) to talk him into coming to K40 or sending someone with the car and he said "Yes very interesting thanks for the brochure I really would like to send someone to your event to exercise the car!" So we shall see:)!

    The bumper kits come with a plexi rear window unless Campana has an actual glass one.

    Let me know if you want me to make enquiries for you.

    Actually cutting that glass is I understand technically very difficult even with water presssure cutting due to the multiple layers but this is not my field.

    Have others seen cars with actual glass rear on Euro cars, be they US cars converted or actual Euro cars?

    Paul:

    Yes Alcantara, I have no clue as to dye info, someone?
    Are you sure that isle of Wight paint shop stuck to original color?
    You have an email.

    Bob: LHM = Lord Have Mercy hilarious:)

    Marius: great shots reminds me of driving a Miura SV in the snow 4 years ago near Geneva, no salt there though!

    best regards,

    Marc
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  16. gopp

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    Hi John,

    Both #008, #380 and #385 has plexiglass, all of them Euro cars. I have seen no signs that indicate any of the cars have another glass from new.

    Best regards
    Marius
     
  17. gopp

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    This winter we had only short periods with temperatures below -10 and there is no thick ice in the fjord, but the two winters before we had a lot of people skating on the fjord. We saw -20 for weeks, and I used a lot of firewood on my stove. I hate the winters when it's that cold.

    @Walter, you are right about driving classic cars in the salt. It's not something I would recommend, but we had dry roads for two weeks and the weather forecast said no snow. When we left my friends garage it was fine, but suddenly it started to snow. I managed to get home before the salt trucks got out on the roads, so it wasn't too bad. The engine compartment, suspension and the underside of the body was cleaned with hot water, so it should be no salt left.

    I would say that K#008 has suffered more from little use in total than the use during winter.

    René, owner of Khamsin US1000 made this short film from the trip:
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4XZdwYqjSw[/ame]

    Ciao
    Marius
     
  18. tazandjan

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    Marius- When I lived in Oslo (1958-1961) people drove cars on the Oslo Fjord, so I guess it has gotten a lot warmer. Loved it there then and the last time I visited in 1989.
     
  19. thecarnut

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    Mark,

    I owned 1228 in 2005 and did some hydraulic work to it. Saw the photos at Motorcar Gallery ... looks very nice.

    Ivan
     
  20. abarth69

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    Thanks for the welcome note Ivan. Yes the car has only done 134 miles since you sold it or the speedo is all messed up. They have had to replace a bunch of the hydraulic system since it sat so long

    Cheers

    Mark
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  21. au-yt

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    Hi Marc

    I note they also supply different Tail Light lense assemblies with this set up.
    The glass rear window is surprising!

    Regards
    Graeme
     
  22. f308jack

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    Hi Greame,

    Yes, I noted the tail-lights as well, but I suspect they didn't come with the glass; were USA lenses different from the Euro-lenses?

    On a different note, with help of this forum all a/c compressor parts were located, and have in the meantime been ordered by the re-builder.

    @ Ivan: you have mail in your hotmail inbox!
     
  23. Nembo1777

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    Hi all:

    Graeme: well they are probably standard US lights since this was a US car unless anyone disagrees?

    Funnily enough I am not so versed into such details whereas for example Ivan and another connoisseur did a fantastic job on Ghibli detail differences (see Ivan's website): I guess we are all drawn to slighlty different aspects of the hobby.

    Jack very glad you were able to lasso all you need!

    In other news AM120018 the car sold at Artcurial Retromobile has remained in France, bought by a private collector in the south west.

    best regards,

    Marc
     
  24. au-yt

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    #3124 au-yt, Feb 17, 2012
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    Hi Marc

    The Tail lights appear to be late Ghibili which is interesting. They are Alfa one but I am not sure which models.
    The Khamsin ones as we know are the same as Afla 2000 Belina/Bora/Merak/Pantera.

    On a Different note and I may have asked this question Before.

    I am giving my car a 10 year ( 6000 K) post restoration tune.

    I note the Main Jets are 125 the hand book specs 130. I measured the jets with a Weber Guage and found the actual size at closer to 140. I had fogotten that I had drilled them out to that size and tweeked the cams (2.2mm and 1.9mm L@TDC)to bring it into line with the Ghibili SS spec.

    I know know that the Ghibili SS has a different combustion Chamber of the Bath tub type and flat top pistons with I believe comp was up a bit to 9:1.

    I have seen lots of discussion with the " lead free fuel" needing leaner Jets and more advance plus hotter plugs to cope with the slower flame burn speed so the result will be interesting!

    So these will go back to 125. I am hoping this will let the car spin a bit more freely at the top end.
    Cheers
    Graeme
     
  25. MK1044

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    Marc, (and anyone else who cares to chime in),

    How many Khamsins were actually built? Are you still comfortable with your number after having done so much research? Will you tell us or must we buy your book?

    http://www.maseratikhamsinregistry.com/intro.html
    "... a total production of 421 examples and an estimated 300 survivors worldwide ..."

    http://www.maseratiamerica.com/MaseratiMonthly/26/MM_26_Knowledge.aspx
    "... only 430 examples of the Khamsin were produced ..."

    http://www.maseratinet.com/CLUB/PHOTO_GALLERY/photos_Khamsin.aspx
    "... approximately 450 Khamsins were built ..."

    Somewhere or other I've heard also 435.

    ???
    Carmine
     

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