New Ferrari requires lots of work, Massa says

Hot damn, finally we agree. Nico should be 2012 WDC by the time Suzuka rolls around.

I knew all those slow sector times were working for him

Heck, he topped the charts in Jerez with the old woe...

 

While it is fun to consider this in the F1 section, imagine what nuclear war you'd start if you'd try that trick in the P&R section.

 

I never go in P&R too scarey for me.

 

I find it interesting to wander in there occasionally to hear perspectives I would never encounter in my life otherwise. It's like being on a different planet.
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Yeah a scarey planet.

 

Like I've said many occasions before, this is probably not a WCC year for MB. Next year or the year after. It's just not possible to go from 4th place team to WCC contender in two seasons. Although it would amazing if they did.

 

What you're seeing there is the shiny underside of the nose taken at an oblique camera angle. It's just the shiny contrast. Other angle shots of this area show nothing. Also, that is definitely the worst place on the car for a duct of any sort. That area of the nose is responsible for air being directed around the sidepods and of course to the rear of the car and it needs to be very smooth indeed. If that area were not so important, every team would have gone with a Mclaren style lower and prettier nose, but they all went for an ugly car with a high nose to take advantage of the additional CFM that area would yield.

 

Brawn...

Red Bull finished 7th (IIRC) in 2008 to win in 2010...

 

Fred with Renault too, 2003-2005. It can be done...

 

Have I mentioned lately how much I admire our over worked and under appreciated mod staff?

 

Who is?

 

It is way to early to tell the performnce of the new Ferrari 2012 F-1 car.
Yes we all want ferrari to win the World championship this year. We will know after the fifth or six race how much ferrari has improved. First things first qualify then win as much races with the new car.

just my way of doing things. Ferrari can not win if the car has not improved.
its going to take few races to set the car up and make the final adjustmens for the rest of the season. I think Massa and and our beloved Alonso has still a great deal to deal with. By the way Kimi looks very strong. If Ferrari had kimi back... Something to think about.
I think Kimi would have understood the new Ferrari 2012 better then Massa or Alonso...

All Ferrari can do is flip a coin and hope it lands in one side...

John

 

The RB1 through RB4 were failures, or should I say learning curves. Then RB5 towards the end of the season was very good. Point being, it took them 5 years to build a somewhat successful car only to then spawn RB6. Same with Ferrari in the mid to late 90s. Many years of failure followed by a couple to a few years of success.

 

Don't change the subject or act coy, you still haven't provided grounds substantiating your earlier positions and are still trolling. Don't feed it

 

Sorry, can't see the light behind this especially considering Massa got the best of Kimi, but to each his own.

 

Kimi would understand the F2012 better than Massa/Alonso? On what basis? That guy was on break since 2009, and suddenly he can understand better than the Scuderia's 2 regular drivers?

 

Pretty much agree, other than Kimi does not appear to need to understand a car, he just needs to be motivated.

I think Kimi <=> Chris Amon, a great and natural talent but both lazy out of the car and useless test drivers (not that that is required anymore).

The problem Lotus will have is keeping him motivated for more than 2 races in a row. I wouldn't hire him and was very disappointed in him in 2008, and 2007 was a gift from the FIA (thanks to McLaren-gate).

Kimi is probably the greatest natural talent on the grid, better than Alonso, MS, Vettel and Hamilton but that all he has, ie. natural talent. Anything that requires other skills just will not happen.
Pete

 

Among those lines, yes .

And I have considered the consequences .

*virtual handshake*

Do agree.

 

Sorry to desagree but, as afr as i was told, Amon was a great "test driver"....as for the rest a agree, Kimi is the biggest natural talent on the grid.

 

No you have not but you can tell us on a daily basis if you wish

 

I will of course monitor this one closely and assist you in finding an adequate picture for his new avatar.

I admire Tifosi12 and his romantic Ferrari F1 notions. They just really shot themselves last year when they decided to not evolve F150 and just repair its vices. Even Newey said this approach is wrong when he said it's better to evolve a design than create something new ground up. While Ferrari have decided to go in a different direction is something I admire, the direction they have chosen may not come to fruition and full understanding for a couple seasons. I admire their attention to detail on the car though as it does look purposeful.

MB on the other hand had a ground up new car last year with W02, and W03 is an evolution built by a superb brain trust and steadily growing team. You have to remember Ferrari is 600+ employees vs MB who are now in the 500ish range and still growing. This is the stuff that makes F1 interesting. The races are just what happens inbetween

 

Well he needed car setup help ... something I don't expect from a great test driver ...

But

Also none of the cars he raced were ever specials, and from what I understand he never worked on any of the cars, thus I have the opinion that he did not really know much about what was going on mechanically. To me to be the best test or development driver you have to know a bit about the mechanicals ... but I could be wrong. Maybe you just need to be able to do lap after lap consistently, but that requires dedication and this makes me think he wasn't that dedicated:

And by his own admission, on a TV or video interview that I saw, he was lazy ...

I'm a New Zealander and a big fan of his (and Bruce and Denny) but lazy drivers don't do as well as dedicated ones.
Pete

 

Typically the greatest asset a driver can provide the designer is a coherent description of what the car is doing under particular circumstances. Too much imput as to what specific changes should be made can be a negative.

 

Yes good point.

I accept that I maybe being a little hard on Chris. It is also interesting that the Amon F1 car that was a flop is now a front running historic car ... handling issues solved by Adrian Newey just by looking at the car in the pits.
Pete

 

That sounds like some government bean counting you're doing there...

RBR still went from 7th (2008) to 1st (2010) in 2 seasons,...

And as others have pointed out,... other examples as well.

Your argument might be stronger if you had pointed out you didn't say... "it's just not possible to go from 4th place team to WCC Winner in two seasons!"