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Discussion in 'Mid-Atlantic Region - USA (PA, DE, MD, DC, VA)' started by blue986, Jan 30, 2012.

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  1. blue986

    blue986 Karting

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    #1 blue986, Jan 30, 2012
    Has any one in the Mid-Atlantic area had their clutch plate(s) relined or know of a reputable service in the area that can do relining? I just can't stomach $1300+ for clutch plates. Vehicle is a '92 348 SS and I haven't had the clutch apart yet so I have not confirmed single or dual disc, but will be doing so this week. In any event I want to explore re-lining as opposed to replacement.

    On another note, I'm looking for feedback on Radcliffe Motors in Reisterstown. I have no experience with them, but would like to hear from others who have.

    Thanks,
    -Matt
     
  2. DonJuan348

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    #2 DonJuan348, Jan 30, 2012

    Yes, i did cost me 150 per plate in kelvar...I believe you have a single.
     
  3. JoshECS

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    #3 JoshECS, Jan 30, 2012
    $150ea for Kevlar, how long ago was that? I've had a few clutches rebuilt with Kevlar over the last couple years and the average price is a good bit higher than that. If you want Kevlar and you DO have a twin plate clutch, the costs will be very similar to the OEM assembly. The advantage being life span.

    Rebuilding with standard organic material will be a good bit less though, 40% less perhaps. Richard @ Radcliffe is good people, they do good honest work.
     
  4. Bryanp

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    #4 Bryanp, Jan 30, 2012
    before you go spending $$ on clutch re-lining, you might want to talk w/ the ultimate experts - the folks at Rochester Clutch & Brake in Rochester, NY. Kevlar is not the answer to everything - it depends completely on what kind of driving you intend to do - there are many possible compounds/solutions. Rochester provided both the clutch and giant drum brake linings for our 500 Mondial, after much consultation as to what the lining materials should be. I believe they do most of the linings for Nascar and other racing in the US.

    Ditto Josh's comment on Richard Garre @ Radcliffe.
     
  5. Alxlee

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    #5 Alxlee, Jan 30, 2012
  6. blue986

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    #6 blue986, Jan 31, 2012
    This is what I was looking for. I will be contacting HR as soon as I get my clutch taken apart and I know what I have and plan on calling or stopping by to see Richard this week.
     
  7. DonJuan348

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    #7 DonJuan348, Jan 31, 2012
    you are right, in 2009 it was $250 , 150 was organic
     
  8. Alxlee

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    #8 Alxlee, Jan 31, 2012
    Please keep us updated, I'd like to hear how it works out and if this is the way to go!
     
  9. bobzdar

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    #9 bobzdar, Feb 2, 2012
    FYI, I called Friction Materials in Long Beach, CA and they quoted me $160 for relined clutch with high heat organic lining, 1-2 day turn around.

    HR clutch quoted $375 for Kevlar/Ceramic dual friction which they said would be good for street and track, the Kevlar more suited for street.

    I think I'm going to order a relined clutch from Ferrparts and then send mine to HR for the Kevlar/Ceramic rebuild and swap it in next time I need to pop the pumpkin off.

    These were quotes for single disc 355.
     
  10. gnbn

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    #10 gnbn, Feb 2, 2012
    i see your in md.check out fleet truck parts.they deal with a rebuilder in balto thats been around for ever.i use them for heavy equipment.price is reasonable.
     
  11. blue986

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    #11 blue986, Feb 23, 2012
    Got everything apart last weekend and as usual there was a surprise: Turns out I do have a dual disc set up and..................three of the six straps on one side of the intermediate plate were broken off. The intermediate plate is not sold as an individual part so I had to start looking at options. First option would be to buy a new complete clutch assembly which includes pressure plate, clutch discs, intermediate plates and stack. Second would be to try and source an intermediate plate from a salvage/breaker. Third would be to see if my intermediate plate could be fixed. A new complete clutch assembly is 2600 so that moved the option to last place. I got no return correspondence from the breakers I contacted so that became no option. I called HR Clutches and they can do everything I need - fix intermediate plate, re-line discs, resurface flywheel, etc... - for what I expect to be a very reasonable cost. I am driving my assembly to Bensalem to drop it off.
     
  12. DonJuan348

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    #12 DonJuan348, Feb 23, 2012
    let me know the cost because I work 15 minutes from bensalem . Pm if you wish .are you getting kevlar and are they rebuilding yours throw out bearing ?
     
  13. bobzdar

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    #13 bobzdar, Feb 24, 2012
    Are you going to go with stock lining or high performance? I swapped in a stock (new) clutch and want to send my old one for rebuild and HR is at the top of my list.
     
  14. blue986

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    #14 blue986, Feb 24, 2012

    For anyone who is interested, I will let you know total cost and scope of work once the work is done. I am having the discs relined with Kevlar. As far as the throw-out bearing is concerned, I am doing that myself while the clutch assembly is at HR and will be replacing with the Hill Engineering unit. I will be taking that apart this weekend to verify which bearing flange is on the vehicle so I can determine whether or not I need to install the Hill Engineering flange as well.
     
  15. bobzdar

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    #15 bobzdar, Feb 24, 2012
    Fyi, the only difference is the spring pocket width. The flange wasn't necessary for me even though I have the earlier style. I still put the new one on as I had already bought it, but I wish I had saved the $700.
     
  16. blue986

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    #16 blue986, Feb 25, 2012
    The difference in spring pocket widths is only 4mm and while that is minimal I wonder what the consequences could be if I roll the dice and keep the old flange (assuming that's what I have). You're right about spending 700+ for a 4mm variance.
     
  17. bobzdar

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    #17 bobzdar, Feb 26, 2012
    I'm pretty sure there's 1-2mm of tolerance on each spring pocket so worst case the springs aren't perfectly straight. I actually put it together with the old collar and my clutch was slipping (which turned out to be due to a worn clutch, duh) so I bought the Hill collar thinking that may be the problem. I compared the two with a set of dial calipers and they are identical in every way except the spring pockets. Since I had it, I put it in, but it wasn't necessary. When installed you could not tell that the springs were slightly angled. If you were concerned about uneven spring wear, you could just rotate the springs a half turn at every clutch replacement.
     

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