I will recieve a lot of hate for this, but I'll say it :)

Taste changes over time. When the Daytona came out after the 275 GTB, it's looks were roundly panned in the press (no internet then!). Now, what do people say?

When the 308 came out in the late 70's, the Dino looked as old fashion as washing your clothes in a bucket. Now, which is seen as the best looking?

Whenever you try to break a styling mold, it takes time to get over the initial "WTF". How these cars will be viewed in the future is unknown. But, the Daytona won out in the end. Just remember that!

 

trust me, real NEW ferrari buyers or buyers that love and loyal to the myth and brand DO NOT care what the car looks like. They buy it or already paid deposits before ever seeing *****.

u like everyone else can argue with looks and style, thats easy.
coming up with money to buy their cars, thats hard.

 

well, indeed, couldn´t disgree more. Would you call Lamborghini original in their design? The Murcielago cleary harks back to the Diablo, which clearly takes it cues from the Countach and the Aventador is a sharpened Reventon, which is, of course, an edgy Murcielago. And I will not even begin on the 911 on the subject of originality.

Besides that, Ferrari has on their midengined V8 cars the philosofy that every completely new design, gets a serious facelift. So, 308/328 to 348/355 to 360/430 to 458. And I suppose you can agree that the 348 is a radical departure from it´s predecessor, as is the 360 and the 458 to theirs.

On the topic of Ferrari, I disagree with your assessment of the California. To me it is not only an ugly Ferrari, it is an ugly car. The design is horribly incoherent, Doesn´t make any sense. Is it original? No, not at all.

And on that subject, you can call the FF an ugly car, but you can´t maintain the arguement that it is, in this segment, unoriginal.

 

See? That´s just pure nonsense. Very different from their predecessors? Really? Just take a look from the Diablo to the Aventador. Every replacement is just a little sharper in edges and creases than it´s predecessor. No big change in overall styling and certainly no change in concept whatsoever. What have Ferrari done when they replaced the F512M with the 550 Maranello? What have they done when they replaced the 612 with the FF?


You can´t call Lamborghini original and then call 456-612-FF unoriginal. Or 308-348-360-458. Or Testarossa/512TR/F512M - 550/575 - 599. Not without a blatant disregard for the facts.

If anything, it is Ferrari that is constantly breaking with styling cues. Therefor Ferrari doesn´t even have a styling tradition.

Dude, please...

 

im bored and i love this type of useless argument too! haha.

people always love the old gto, the 288 gto, the old rossa, the old dino, the old whatever #$%^&*.
i dont know, but i wasnt ALIVE or too poor to afford them when new, so when they are a millions dollars now when ALL of us CAN NOT afford them, lets talk about how good and pretty they are so we can feel better about ourselves and trash talk their new cars when we dont have money for them anyways.
And we can all dream we could of afford them when they were $8k 35 years ago and we didnt have anywhere near that lump sum to throw at a car whatsoever. Love this type of rearview mirror thinking that gets no where.

Having nice cars is really easy.......... just put out the cash.
Now,.... coming up with that cash, is hard.

So lets seek the easy route and argue that the 328 is the best ferrai ever made, dino is too expensive and good ones are hard to come by, aim low we all be happier.

 

You can't please everyone.

The 458 is regarded as one of the prettiest designs since the 308, but I don't like it at all. Even when I saw one in real life not too long ago (pretty rare sight in Botswana since there's only 1!), it didn't do much for me. And it's HUGE!

I don't think the FF is pretty but I kind of like the car though.

From the front so far I like the 620, hoping it won't be a hatch back.

The california just looks like a lexus.

I'm sure people will ***** and moan at my post, but it's my opinion and I say it how I see it.
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Porsche and Aston Martin are just drawing the same car over and over and putting a new badge on it with a different price tags and shout ''LOOK! we made a new car!''.

 

You already had a response for this, but I think that you´ve not received enough flak yet.

Lamborghinis?

Striking? YES

Good looking? YES

Better looking than some Ferraris? YES

Different to its predecessor? FREAKIN´ ABSOLUTELY NO!!!!

I really hope that some day the hun who now manages Lamborghini will read a car history book and realize that Lamborghini has made more things than the Countach.

 

after i drove the aventador, i didnt like it at all, i hate how it drives, how it handles, and how bouncy it was everywhere.

but seriously, when i get down to it, the only reason i didnt like it was the high sticker price. I couldnt afford it.
so i hate on it. i playa hate it, i double cross elbow slam dunk punch it, i tell everybody i know its a POS and told people who got one on order they xxxking retarded, because its much easier than try to work hard and come up with my own money on it.

Life is pretty simple really.

 

Good call. I would love to see a modern interpretation of the Espada. Lamborghini has made some stunning looking cars pre-Countach.

 

But PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, no more remakes.

We had the New Beetle, and it was cute, it was OK.

But now we have the new Mini, the new Ford GT40, the new old Mustang, the new Camaro, the new Challenger, the new Fiat 500, the new New Beetle, the new Ferrari P3/4 (sorry Mr. Glickenhaus), the new Golden Ferrari, the new Lancia Stratos, almost the new Miura and the new Cobra, the new 911 (well... sort of).

Enough of this retro-revival trend for me.

 

That's just baloney.

If that were the case, the 620 would look like this:
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You said it brother!!!

I'm so happy Lambo cut the "new Muira" concept. What a ridiculous idea. Give us stuff of today, not the Chip Foose "cleaned up" versions of the past.

 

"I will recieve a lot of hate for this, but I'll say it "

Why do people jinx their own posts in the title? I don't know.


F620 styling - like you said, unoriginal, it's like pasting FF design theme onto a 599 shaped chassis. It's much better than the disastrous FF, but that's not saying much. Between FF, F620 and California I am real nervous regarding the F70 unveil. I hope they don't pull another F50 styling mambo. How can a firm that designed the styling of the 458 decides make cars like the FF and F620? Either way the 599 just got prettier.

Recent Ferrari styling duds:

F620, FF, California, GTO (because it looks *marginally* different from 599), 612, F430..... What's going on here? Is Pininfarina running out of ideas or Ferrari board members keep picking wrong design proposals?

 

Next time you are in Cape Town would like to sit down and debate this with you. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say and its true with any Ferrari, me I think the FF looks really good, its very curvacious in places and while its no supermodel its not ugly either, it has undeniable presence, then again I have seen it in a few different colours so my opinion is based on not just seeing it in one colour.

Lamborghini styling is far from revolutionary, they are all built on the same basic template..Countach, Diablo, Murcielago, Aventador, in essence all similar, the 599 and the 550 are totally different looking.

Lastly I dont think you can generalize why people buy these cars, there is more to it than looks.

 

The design of a car is more than the shape of the headlights. (BTW, I´ve noticed that you pay a lot of attention to that: then I don´t know what you think about the cars of the 60s, which all used standard round headlights).

For me, every Lamborghini since the Countach (a truly freakin´masterpiece regarding looks) has been the same: same proportions, flat, sharpen and with angles and air intakes averywhere. All of them look good, but just because they are copies of a car that did look good (and way better than the copies, IMO).

If you can´t see the similarities, well, it would take a long time to explain them, so we´ll agree to disagree.

About Lamborghini, I´m sure that I´m alone with this, but I liked that Diablo Canto by Zagato. I also liked the rejected idea for the Diablo that later became the Cizeta Moroder. Both were quite weird and amorphous, but brought a bit of fresh air to the known stereotype.

 

^ agreed!

 

Think I'll stop reading this silly thread and go drive one of my "styling duds".

 

What he said, mostly.

I liked the 458 more in drawings than in person. Not ugly, but not beautiful.

Obviously haven't seen the new F12 in the metal yet, but I think it looks like an improved California.

I agree on Porsche and Aston... the DB9 really is beautiful, but designer Callum is wearing a serious straitjacket at this point.

 

Some day you need to get to Vegas and take a drive in my 458. When you sit in it and step on the pedal, you'll understand again what "beauty" is all about.

I also think you're in the minority on the looks. I've had this car for 6 months now and "beautiful" is the one single word that people use to describe it.

 

I get your perfect point mate.

The 458 is exceptionally beautiful! period!