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  1. TifosiUSA

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    http://www.f1zone.net/news/mercedes-hiding-new-double-diffuser-concept/12509/

    "And according to Auto Motor und Sport, the concept differs to the banned double diffuser because the air is channelled through holes at the rear of the engine cover."

    Using my idea? Lol.
     
  2. Ferraripilot

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    #202 Ferraripilot, Feb 27, 2012
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    here's where it appears to be blown from. Very similar to how Red Bull blew their starter hole last year. one slot on each side of course. I am amazed by the undercuts they have managed all the way back there. Very tidy
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  3. Ferraripilot

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    #203 Ferraripilot, Feb 28, 2012
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    More on their mini DDD as I have adequately named it. Mercedes have positioned the starter hole in such a way that it blows upward into this newly designed 15cm wide trapezoid shaped chamber.
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  4. Ferraripilot

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    An unnamed Mercedes engineer provided to Sportbild some commentary regarding where Mercedes expects to be in Australia. While they are not completely expecting a win, they believe they will podium. Specifically, they said the Merc is very competitive with Mclaren and neither one is really quicker than the other with one being slightly quicker than the other based on different loads and tires. Apparently every big team had some extremely fancy measuring equipment out at Barcelona which they used to determine how much fuel everyone has on board based on shift points and deceleration. The only team they don't really have a fair understanding of regarding pace is Red Bull other than of course stating they are just quicker but unsure how much quicker.

    I've heard Michael was being accused of 'over-driving' the car making the tires fall off on purpose to see what their limits are.
     
  5. DF1

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    He would never do such a thing :) Too bad we cannot say this about Ferrari. Im sure after Malaysia they will improve. Those 2 races are back to back with very little time to do much in the interim. This assume Ferrari are off podium. If they do better good for all of us :)
     
  6. Ferraripilot

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    I'm thinking both drivers must have been trying to do this as the tire deg rate per the data is pretty much identical. Preseason paranoia
     
  7. Aircon

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    I'm not convinced the Mercedes being as fast as the McLaren is going to be good enough, because I get the impression as drivers, JB and LH are faster than NR and MS....hence the difference maker. As always, hard to tell though.

    LH might implode again this year.
     
  8. BMWairhead

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    Regardless of what you think about the "spirit" of the incident (bottom line = there were no penalties), MS did keep LH behind him for a great deal of the Italian GP last year...with an inferior car. With a slightly better car (one that could have defended the DRS a bit better...if that's even possible), MS might have stood on the podium in Canada.

    Twenty years ago the driver could take a bucket of dung car and make something of it...not so much now. Don't get me wrong...drivers do make a difference. However, modern drivers are just another Nth degree consideration...not half the equation that they used to be.
     
  9. Aircon

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    All good points. MS schooled LH in Italy imo
     
  10. kraftwerk

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    Well if you call excessive blocking schooled, well ok.

    The stewards didn't see it that way, hence the repeated warnings, also IMO this lead to the overtaking and blocking rules being changed for this year.
     
  11. VIZSLA

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    Something else to "thank" him for.
     
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    Here's to your prophecy being fulfilled!
     
  13. Ferraripilot

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    Agreed. Michael just needs the right car. I believe he can still dice at the sharp end of the field as he proved last season. Nico on the other hand will finally have the opportunity to see if he can hang at that end on a regular basis.
     
  14. VIZSLA

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    First he needs to qualify better.
     
  15. classic308

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    Here's Jense showing Hammy how to pass a very determined MS:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzvXwXp01MM&feature=related[/ame]

    Jenson sat back and watched while Hammy and Schumey were going at it, and then schooled 'em both. Yes MS forcing Hammy onto the grass was dodgy but Hammy's done it also in the past so what comes around goes around.

    Hammy will want to forget 2011 as he was thrashed by Jense whom I think is slightly slower than him but far smarter than him on race day, especially in changing conditions-Jense is one of the best in that regard.
     
  16. VIZSLA

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    Last year Button's advantage had something to do with tire management. That edge may not be as great this year depending on what Pirelli has done.
     
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    So Jense was able to adapt better to the Pirellis than Hammy, is that what your saying lol?

    Webber didn't like the Pirellis either, but Vettel didn't seem to mind...
     
  18. VIZSLA

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    Yup and if the tires aren't as much of an issue this year the difference might be less.
     
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    If testing was any indication then tires and managing their wear is going to be a huge factor again.

    Advantage Vettel/Button
     
  20. Remy Zero

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    I don't think just tyre issues hampered Hammi last year. His impatience proved another factor. Look at Canada. Who would have knew Jense would have nicked it in the first 20 mins of the race?

    My point is, Jense is a more complete driver i think. He's patient, looks after his tyres well, and knows when and where to go for the jump.

    I sincerely hope he beats Hamii again this season. If neither of the Ferrari drivers become WDC, or even MS, i would be happy if Jense get it.
     
  21. TifosiUSA

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    Sorry, but he was schooled. The one time LH got by MS ended up passing him and taking the position back.

    Jenson showed how to get it done.
     
  22. VIZSLA

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    By no means was it just the tires.
    It's just that they're more quantifiable than Lewis' head is.
     
  23. DF1

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    +1. Also there was supposed initiative by the drivers to show LH a thing or 2 and MS took up the challenge. After this LH was not so quick to punt people out of the way as he did in Monaco as an example. I believe at that point in Monza he was served a wake up call about his racing and how he was viewed by his peers.
    I think he will be better for it. Im a bit more of a JB fan but I would not be surprised to see LH finish ahead of him(JB), after last year. Assuming he did learn his lessons and make adjustments both on the track and off.
     
  24. ricksb

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    Hammi was sitting pretty the first half of the season, then the rumors about his girlfriend started. Anyone who's been in a relationship during their 20's should be able to figure out why he fell off a cliff.

    I'd expect a far more resolute and focused Hamilton this season. I certainly wouldn't be so as quick to bury him as some of you. I mean, look at Jensen. He was considered an unmotivated flake for much of his career and now he's worshipped by people on here as the second coming.

    My point is simply that everything has to be just right for a driver to be in his zone...
     
  25. ricksb

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    Agree. I think the message was that racing is still very much a cooperative venture and LH needed to play by the same rules as everyone else. Since he didn't, he became a target on the grid.
     

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