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  1. tifosi12

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    In that context I thought this was a particularly funny comment:
    In the land of the blind the one eyed is king.
     
  2. VIZSLA

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    In my experience in the land of the blind the one eyed man gets a sharp stick in the eye.
    But I take your point.
     
  3. TifosiUSA

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    "Ferrari F2012, Alonso: We must put the pieces together
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    The Ferrari is running on the track with Fernando Alonso in the first two days of the 2012 winter test on the Barcelona circuit with the specific intent to continue the work already started two weeks ago in Jerez de la Frontera. The Spaniard speaks of mosaic to compose the final result of which will be visible only at the first Grand Prix season. The work is hard and very complex for a F2012 born with many, perhaps too many, innovative ideas.

    Ferrari F2012: the imperative is to collect data
    At Maranello have chosen to work well on the F2012: make as many adjustments are possible, collect data, analyze it calmly and then draw conclusions. It 'a very time-consuming but unavoidable if you realize that they possess an object too mysterious. "No matter how accurate and precise computer simulators of all kinds is the asphalt that gives the verdict on the effectiveness of a solution and the whole project," reads the official website of the Prancing Horse.

    Fernando Alonso, Ferrari and the mosaic
    "There is still much work to do - Fernando Alonso has said - I do not think we will see something different in the next few days before you really see why this car is worth what we put together all the pieces of this mosaic." The Ferrari driver tries to appease the curiosity of fans giving appointment to the first Grand Prix of the season: "I know there is a long waiting outside but we are totally focused on ourselves, without thinking about what's going around. We will begin to truly understand something only in Melbourne. "Even today, two-time world champion is venturing into aerodynamic testing involving many within the box to make changes of attitude. Who repeat the mantra inside the box is well known: you look at the lap times in race, not in the test."
     
  5. TifosiUSA

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    Thanks!


    Seems like more of the same...they just can't "piece it together."
     
  6. VIZSLA

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    Gotta love those computer translations. ;)
     
  7. texasmr2

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    Seem's as if this has been the motto for a few years now. Unless a certain design such as the last two RB's and Buttons Brawn 'click' right out of the box I just fall back on the "no testing" arguement because it is true. Just imagine how exciting the entire field and season could be if testing was once again allowed (old school testing). That imho was one of if not the most crucial ellements regarding F1's current state of affairs ie lack of competition between ALL the teams.

    Sorry, I rambled again.:eek:

    I KNOW!!!
     
  8. VIZSLA

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    It's been so successful in F1 that other major sports are thinking of adopting the model.
    No spring training. No preseason games. No combines etc.
    ;)
     
  9. classic308

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    It's a Ferrari f1 computer lol
     
  10. VIZSLA

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    That explains a lot of things ;)
     
  11. TOOLFAN

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    Thank you, so much for the insight, depressing as it may be.
     
  12. Bas

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    +1

    And far too many fall for it. 2009 sucked. 2010 was better. 2011 sucked. 2012 will suck.

    They better learn all they can about this car now and use every race as a test session to try and understand all the little bits in their car, and evolve it for 2013. Also, get rid of that stupid front pullrod suspension.
     
  13. Ferraripilot

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    Ferrari won't be back until they have some serious changes to how things are run. They also have a lot of new staff and they will take time to work together to produce something worth anything. A Brawn/Schumacher revolution is needed there again, until then it's the 80s. I've been saying this for a year now......
     
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    It took brawn/schumey 4 years to win the wcc/wdc so the changes will take time although I wonder how much longer stefano "for sure" domenicali will be there. It newey quite a few years at RB to win...btw mcl won one wdc this century and no wcc..one of ferrari's strengths was developing a car during the season but no testing means they are behind the eight ball. They better be running lots of laps in free practice.
     
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    So what do you want: more time to sort things out or a revolution? They supposedly already had done the revolution.

    And were are those who said that the problem was that Italians don´t have a clue about making F1 cars? Now that the boss is caled Pat and they have half McLaren working there, what´s the problem?
     
  18. Ferraripilot

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    Yes, I heard this late last night. I don't think they will be at Melbourne though. New rear sidepod exhaust area maybe.


    Don't have a clue huh? Didn't I predict this happening last spring? And that Merc was going to make a huge step with W03 in the fall with the coming of Willis, Costa, and a ton of other stafff? I'm at times wrong I'll admit but I hit this on the head with Ferrari.

    This has to do with the way Ferrari has been working their F1 program as of late. "Win or die" doesn't work. Italians can of course make a great F1 car, but with new staff and a different TD it takes time to make something happen. Ferrari needs to bite the bullet and give this good TD and staff a chance to learn this direction they are headed in and see if it bears fruit that is worth the wait. Newey took years to make Red Bull competitive so why should this be any different? The biggest mistake Ferrari made was going crazy with their car design, they didn't need to do that as doing that does nothing but put a team on the back foot for a season or two. They will figure it out but it will take time. And the second biggest mistake was losing Aldo Costa, although I'm still undecided if that was their first biggest mistake or not. Costa is nothing short of a mechanical genius now completing the Mercedes dream team of staff. Great for Merc, bad for the rest of the field.
     
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    If Ferrari is not competitive this season then Stefano Domenicali is gone. Massa too. I wonder how long Alonso will stay on if he doesn't have a winning car?
     
  20. DeSoto

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    No offense intended, man. I even used an smiley face.

    BUT:

    So you said in spring that Ferrari was going down and Mercedes up. Well, they only could go UP or DOWN, so you had 50% of posibilities of doing a good prediction just by sheer luck!!

    Right now even Ross Brawn doesn´t know where they are, so everything we could guess is just chitchat. There is nothing bad in that, of course, we´re here just for the fun.
     
  21. Ferraripilot

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    Hey no worries sir! Wasn't trying to be accusatory as I know you weren't! Just getting a point across that Ferrari sunk their ship last year.
     
  22. DeSoto

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    Many said quite the opposite!!

    In any case, whoever is right, is right just by a fluke.
     
  23. DF1

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    I think this is the biggest question. Im sensing some minor restless attitude from Fernando. More than Stefano or the Massa question is yours about FA. He wants another title and certainly knows he as the ability. I give him 2 more years at most. He may have said finishing his career with Ferrari is the goal, but things change in an instant.

    He also is entering a new single phase minus his wife. He has alot of doors open on and off the track potentially. He is the single most marketable driver in the sport. Every single team knows he gets more out of car than any other driver. I am not his biggest fan but NO ONE can doubt his ability, drive and desire for results after last year.

    Im pretty sure titles count more than some non title longevity at Ferrari for him. Time will tell of course.
     
  24. Remy Zero

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    Why must Massa be gone if Ferrari can't give him a competitive car?
     

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