Pix of 4619 when it went through my grubby hands; I don't think it was original. (1973) Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Right at the top line "4619SA" or 4725 http://brunodaytona67.canalblog.com/albums/0_ferrari__la_saison_de_courses_1963/photos/55858342-1963_maranello_330_lmb_parkes_4725_essais_routier.html Left at the top line
You are not agree with Cheesey who sayed it's not 4619SA ? In Barchetta register, 4619SA is the only LMB with 3 carburetors At the beginning i asked jut for the color of the seats.
great photo!!! In my backyard to boot! 6913 E. McDowell Road Scottsdale Arizona. basically Scottsdale road and McDowell. Not too far from the current Ferrari Store
Donc "ma" 330 LMB avec Parkes en essais à Maranello, est bien 4725GT http://brunodaytona67.canalblog.com/albums/0_ferrari__la_saison_de_courses_1963/photos/55858342-1963_maranello_330_lmb_parkes_4725_essais_routier.html and follow
Ben oui c'est la seule conduite à droite, cher Bruno...On ne peut pas se tromper. Now with the indications of Boudewijn, the LMB at LM 63 april tests, LHD and no rear spoiler is 4619 SA ? Image Unavailable, Please Login
not with absolute accuracy from that photo, unless one was physically present at the event and verified numbers physical appearance at the distance in photo difficult to properly identify/verify ...spoiler could have been added or removed to any of the 3 cars that were raced...not enough characteristics visible for accurate verification that would be inconsistant with all accounts of 4619SA never having been raced...not saying it was never at a track or used for testing... why race a 3 carb version with lower power in place of more powerful 6 carb version...
I am quite certain it is chassis number 4453 which ran as car #11 at LM63. The reason I believe this is because of the bodywrk. All the cars had very slight differences most people would not notice unless you look at it very carefully. Here is what I see. If my info is correct, car #12 at LM63 was 4725 which was right hand drive, so that eliminates that car. Car #9, ch 4381 was left hand drive but the small driving lights by the grill are very close to the radiator opening, almost touching. Car #11, LHD, ch 4453 had the lights slightly further away from the grill, (maybe an inch+ distance) like the #12 test car pictured. I have pics of the same test car from the front and the openings match the position of the #11 car on race day. Car 4619 has completely different openings in the nose and smaller lights. I doubt they used that car as a test car. Spoilers can be added much easier than front ends being modified.
After the Le Mans test days the nose of 4619 was modified with vertical slot brake cooling ducts, as on the earlier GTO's, without driving lights and the side lights repositioned to under the headlights. I recommand reading the Kieth Bluemel article on the 330 LMB's in Cavallino 114 of 2000.
The afore mentioned article in Cavallino 114 does not disclose a difference in the number of carburators applied to the 4 LMB's produced. Any photo of 4619SA's engine would be appreciated.
much can change when a car is in the hands of the factory, especially in the very early days in a car's life... Ferrari has shown many times over that things are changed to suit the moment, which are inconsistant with the final version once a car leaves their hands... the car in the photo can be agreed to be a LMB, one of 3, beyond that all is circumspect for the lack of distinguishing characteristics
That might be true but each car will have its unique caracteristics if you pay careful attention to detail. You also need period pictures to compare which is the most difficult part of the process. They will make changes but some things like moving a driving light over 1/2 inch is unlikely (not impossible) unless the entire front end was damaged and needed rebuilding. Here are some pics: This is the test car from the front http://www.islandcollectibles.net/Ferraripics/F250GTO/330lmb12e.jpg This is the front 4381 at LM63 http://www.islandcollectibles.net/Ferraripics/F250GTO/330lmbn9.jpg Front of 4453 at LM63 http://www.islandcollectibles.net/Ferraripics/F250GTO/330lmbn11.jpg And a nice pic from Sebring I think. From the Friedman Collection http://www.islandcollectibles.net/Ferraripics/F250GTO/330lmbn29a.jpg
4619 was in my garage for a short time, back in the day. I seem to recall that the interior was tan leather and tan carpets, but don't trust my memory. I do recall clearly that it was the sweetest car I had ever driven; the feel of a GTO with more torque, and upholstery to boot.
my responses were with respect to the 3/4 view from rear as in post 7084 ( and other recent posts )... which does not contain enough distinguishable characteristics to identify a particular chassis without further images from the same time/day... subsequent images of the same car ( from LM'63 period ) do not conform to what 4619SA looks like in its' more recent years...
Ed, your recollection is spot on as it was when you had the car, it is very good, trust it.... while the current conversation speculates on appearance of 330 LMB 10 years prior, which bears no resemblence to 4619SA as it was known to you "back in your day"
I agree. I do not think its 4619SA. I am pretty sure its not. Since all the tail spoilers were ad-ons it could be any of the 3. Also, at least one of the cars raced without a spoiler at Sebring in 1963. http://www.islandcollectibles.net/Ferraripics/F250GTO/330lmbn19seb63.jpg Ed Niles: The pics I have seen of 4619 did indeed have a tan interior. However, the pics were not of when the car was new but most likely from the 70's/80's.
Some old photos of Jim Kimberly lent by a friend- any other info would be appreciated. Copyright Bill Buck Cheers, TomB Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
First pic (car recurs below) is 375MM 0364AM and behind and to the right of it my old friend 375 Plus 0384AM
I agree with you. In the book Ferrari 250 GTO by Pritchard he lists 4619SA on page 316 but shows a picture of 4725SA!
And a nice pic from Sebring I think. From the Friedman Collection http://www.islandcollectibles.net/Ferraripics/F250GTO/330lmbn29a.jpg[/QUOTE] 4453SA had a scoop at this point, could this be 4619SA?
