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Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by Napolis, Jun 27, 2006.

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  1. miurasv

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    #1126 miurasv, May 1, 2012
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    Yes, they are what they are and neither car is now a P4.

    Thank you for the book recommendations. I'll get "The Ford that beat Ferrari, A racing history of the Ford GT 40" and "Go Like Hell" then.
     
  2. Ferrari 360 CS

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    Surely most learned Ferrari owners/enthusiast would prefer to have 0858 in its Can Am spec due to the reasons you mentioned, any body thats placed on 0858's chassis wont be the original one either.

    Just doesnt make sense to me to re convert the car. Personally I would rather see the car restored properly in its present Can Am configuration, restored in much the same was as you have done 0846 and now 0854.
     
  3. miurasv

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    Did I read somewhere that one of them is currently being rebodied as a P4? I'm probably wrong on this.
     
  4. Napolis

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    That's what I would have done had my bid been accepted at the last Factory Auction but other's would rather have a "P4" than an original 350 Can Am.

    This is an insidious thing. At the Enzo Ferrari Museum in Modena there is a pure replica "125" and a 166 claiming to be the car Mr. Chinetti drove to 1 OA at Le Mans which it isn't.

    It's important what things are and that what they are and what they aren't are fully disclosed which sadly is not always the case.
     
  5. Napolis

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    Talcrest did state that 0858 is being fitted with a P4 body by David Piper. As an aside 0858's original P4 Spyder Tail is now fitted to 0846 as fully disclosed in the 0846 thread.
     
  6. miurasv

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    Who would have made this body and when?
     
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    #1132 Ferrari 360 CS, May 1, 2012
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    Interesting times...

    Secretly I was hoping a local collector would actually buy the car seeing it did once carry the livery of his company.
     
  8. Napolis

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    There are a lot of people who make replica bodies some are better than other's.
     
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    Exacto...
     
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    I agree. However, an automotive tragedy occurred, when these most beautiful of cars ever made, were converted.
     
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    ..and if replica bodies are being fitted this is definitely a case of "2 wrongs don't make a right". The car is more desirable as it is telling its own story and place in Ferrari history than it could ever be with a replica body.
     
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    Well I think its history, the factory had its reasons for converting and Can Am is but a chapter in Ferrari's history. What we see as a "tragedy" today was just Ferrari looking towards the future, looking to win more races.
     
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    Correct. Who am I to question the decision of Ferrari, the greatest car maker in the world, to convert the cars? Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
     
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    The cars are what they are and what is that? They are very important cars with a history and thoroughbred Ferrari in their Can Am state. Rebodied the history is removed, they are not pure Ferrari if replica parts are used and another tragedy occurs.
     
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    #1140 miurasv, May 1, 2012
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    0844 has already been rebodied then. Does it have an authentic Ferrari 412P body or one that was made by someone other than Ferrari or the people that made the originals?
     
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    Conversion from 330 CanAm to 412 P is done by Symbolic.
     
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    #1142 miurasv, May 1, 2012
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    Thanks. So Symbolic did the conversion. Do you know who fabricated the body?

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=341028

    Jim answers part of my question in post 6 in the link above. It's a replica 412P body. Does anyone know who made it or who makes the replacement panels for these cars? Actually, who made the original bodies? Ferrari, Scaglietti, Drogo?
     
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    Symbolic also made the body. Don't know who did the repairs after the crash at Le Mans Classic. Original bodies were made at Carrozzeria Sports Cars (Drogo) in Modena.
     
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    I have 5 pics of a severe restoration and the result with a proud Symbolic crew behind it.
     
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    Thanks very much, Wouter. Did the P3 cars have 3 valves per cylinder and mechanical fuel injection or were these introduced on the P4?
     
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    They had the same FI units as the P4's but the engine's were totally different. When Ferrari converted the P3's to 412P's and sold them to customers he kept the FI units and replaced them with carbs.
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_P

    Thanks, Jim. You probably wrote much of the info in the above link?
     
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    #1149 miurasv, May 1, 2012
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    Just referred to one of my books "Ferrari THE RED DREAM" by Doug Nye and Pietro Carrieri and it says that after being converted to 412 P, 0844 went to Luigi Chinetti's NART in 67. Was it they who later converted it to Can Am spec or did the factory convert it for NART?
     
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    NART did with help from the Factory.
     

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