430 Scud or 458?

So I just received my 430 Scud. I am sorry but it beats the hell out of the 458 Italia. In my opinion with all the plush carpets and gadgets the 458 is targeted at also the female buyers who want something more sporty than the California but still want a civilized car. The 430 Scud shifts better, faster, is lighter in feel and just is a more Ferrari. The 430 Scuderia is what Enzo Ferrari intended all along. To make a pure Ferrari sports car. Its that simple. Here are some pictures. I am not a fan of red but this car looks great in red. Go scuderia!
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Yeah, its a bummer the 458 is faster, more powerful and handles better...guess us girls like them like that. The car looks great in red, agreed, but not as good as the 458. Enjoy it!

 

I tried the 458. Its a marketing tool at best for people who want the new thing. The real thing is the Scuderia. For people who like carpets and sat nav and drink holders I recommend the 458...! For hard core Ferrari people I recommend the 430 Scuderia.

 

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Try this: "So I just received my 430 Scud. Great car, I love it. This was the right choice for me over the 458 Italia. I feel it's more pure, more raw and I don't miss the creature comforts the 458 provides. I was looking for something decidedly uncivilized and I've found it. This is the car that Enzo Ferrari intended all along, a pure performance no-compromise sports car. The 458 is a great car, but the 430 Scud is perfect for ME."

See, I've basically just made the same point you were trying to make, without pissing people off. Some people actually use their cup-holders and, you know, having carpet doesn't make you soft!

 

Congrats on your Scud, however facts say the 458 is faster, it shifts faster and its quicker around some tracks, however the feel of the cars is different, the Scud being more raw but to say the 458 is for female buyer is, simply talking nonsense in my opinion.

 

Your absolutely right my friend. I do like to provoke and this forum is about 430 Scuderia vs 458. The 458 is a great car for people who appreciate the modernity, the carpeting, the cup holders, the navigation. But I am just a 430 Scuderia fan and want to voice my opinion. Thats it. If the 458 owners were secure about themselves they would accept my opinion and voice theirs. Ofcourse I could have been more diplomatic about it. So thank you for pointing that out.

 

Ofcourse I am exaggerating. But in all exaggeration and in the art of provoking there is some truth. The 458 is a great car. It was a close call. But the 430 Scuderia wins. Its that simple.

 

Yes, in fact you're exaggerating about numerous points.
1. the shifting on the 458 is light years faster than the 430 Scud...I know, I just drove a 430 Scud and I have 1,500 miles on my 458.
2. The speed and acceleration on the 458 tops the 430 scud...just a fact.
3. I can't speak on the hard driving handling of the 430 Scud but the 458 is no slouch and handles very well.

As far as being soft because you like carpets or cup holders...well that's just silly. I actually was considering trading in my 458 for a 430 scud but after the test drive, sorry, not a chance. I'm waiting for the 458 scud. Who knows, maybe I'll throw some carpet and a cup holder in it.

 

Usually, offensive people intend to offend.

 

1. Explain light years faster shifting than Scuderia. Car in video is a Scuderia, shifting time 60ms.

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2. Get your 458 to a dynojet. Perception of acceleration and actual acceleration are different things. Don't confuse a car with launch control (458) to a car without LC (Scuderia), LC only works for drag racing. Once rolling, LC is useless. There are a few dyno charts around from the 458 Italia, but the best thing is to dyno your own car, as each car is different.

Also do not confuse the 1st-2nd-3rd very close ratios in the 458 tranny with the feeling of having much more power. The acceleration on both cars once they pass 60mph is identical. At a racetrack the Italia cannot go down to 2nd gear, because 2nd is too short, so the car laps in between 3rd and 6th.

The Italia carries around 350 lbs of extra weight. Put the car on the scales with a full tank of fuel and verify. Most Italias are in the 3,500 lbs range (full tank of fuel). Here is my Scuderia at a full tank of fuel being tech'ed at the NASA event a few weeks ago.



3. Handling is fine in the Italia, despite of the shocks. A lot has to do with the Michelin Pilot Super Sports, great tires with amazing grip. Shocks could be better, fortunately this time Spring rates came right, so no need to swap springs.
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He, he, what a nice discussion!

God let's have never other problems than this!

I am with both opinions. The 430 is a very nice car. In the past I was always dreaming of it and when I've seen one it was a delicious view for me.

Since 2 1/2 weeks now and 778 km (something like 500 miles) I am owning my first Ferrari. It is a 458 Italia in rosso scuderia with a soft colored interior. It is like light cream with a red stripe in the midle of the seats, the dashboard is red as well as the steering wheel. It is completely different to every 458 I've seen before. Someone will call it to soft and/or female; but sorry, this is a car for me and it is not bought for anyone else!

I love this car from the optical view out- and inside. It is a dream to drive it and an outstanding feeling for me to own it!

But, as well, I am still fascinated when I see and/or hear a 430! Still a wonderful car and I am happy with all owners of it!

Enjoy your Ferrari, equal wich model you prefer and enjoy with other Ferrari owners and their models

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OK, this seems just silly to me.

1. 40 ms shifts in 458 according to road and tracks test drive.
2. 0-60 in 3.4 vs 3.7 in 430 scud

That's faster. Dyno or no dyno. I love the 430 Scud but not enough to give up my 458 until the scud version of that comes out. Not sure why that rattles, the cages, of you 430 scud guys. Go have a nice drive.

 

I think everyone driving a 458 should wear a DRESS or a SKIRT, trousers for a SCUD pls

 

LOL. Very funny.

 

Who really cares!! Any of us lucky to have gotten an early production 458 have had numerous ferraris and could also have had a 430 Scud. For my area my 360CS was just too painful on my local roads. To inform the Europeans on this board places like the northeast US use cinders (tiny rocks for anti skid) on the roads in winter. Try listening to little rocks bouncing off of your bare floor for a few miles and you would know why for some of us the Scud, CS versions are just useless. Trust me you'd be begging for carpets after a very short time. My next purchase would be a dedicated challenge car for track days, road going track cars are just that, compromises.

 

I like the scud very much. But italia is definitely faster than scud , fact is no scuderia has hit 130 mph plus in trap speed on a qtr mile track.

I have driven them both back to back. Italia gearbox is amazing, car feels faster than scud.

Scud is more exciting to drive but i agree it lacks the overall daily driveability and looks of italia.

 

Correct, 40ms vs 60ms is far, very far from being light years apart.

Here are test results of the Scuderia using the launch control. The U.S Scuderias have this secret launch control available, it needs the stock tires properly heated up to work.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/exotic/112_0808_2008_ferrari_430_scuderia_test/viewall.html

and here the results from the same magazine with the 458 Italia

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/exotic/1101_ferrari_458_italia_vs_ducati_1198_s/viewall.html

The Scuderia trapped at a higher speed using the Launch Control.

Beyond 60 mph, these two cars have the same rate of acceleration, if you don't believe it, bring the Italia to South Florida, and I have 2 data acquisition systems (AiM DL and Traqmate) that can take data from both cars (Italia and Scuderia) to prove in real life.

At a racetrack it is no contest, on equal tires, the Scuderia triumphs. At a drag race, if the Scuderia uses the clutch killer launch control, it is an even race.

When I read posts about how much faster the 458 Italia is compared to the Scuderia, they always lack hard data to prove it.

I have a few time slips on the 1/8 mile with my Scuderia that have better results than the ones from the 458 Italia that challenged the Cobra kit car a couple of years ago.

Put a set of Michelin Pilot Super Sports on a Scuderia (stock 599 GTO and Italia tires), and the performance number would get even better.

 

Oh and one exceeds 200 the other doesn't want to guess which one. They do not accelerate the same I've driven them back to back to back. 458 is faster in a straight line to any speed. Conversation over. On tracks it's a different story Scud should absolutely be faster on some, it's designed to be.

 

The top speed game is ridiculous. Only being able to go 4 mph faster with an extra 52 HP is not that impressive. I would take the Scud over the 458 all day. Even if you can drive a Ferrari everyday, it should feel more racecar esq. But thats just my opinion. Everyone is entitled to theirs. Besides, this thread wouldn't be any fun if we all liked the same car .

 

Its more like 7 or 8 miles per hour and like I said the 458 is faster to any speed in a straight line, and that was the argument.

 

Since we're getting technical its actually 198 vs 202 according to Ferrari.

 

I think this thread is just for Scud owners to take pot shots at 458 owners.

It's sad, actually.

It's like arguing if Toro sashimi is better than Filet Mignon. They are both great but both appeal to different tastes. Saying one is better than the other is pointless.

Even more pointless is a person who has never tasked Toro telling the sashimi lover he's crazy for not liking steak better.

 

Yes since we're getting technical in the articles that were just posted in this thread from the same magazine the Scud went 195 so.... Like I said 7 MPH.

 

In my opinion, in the real world the speed difference is nothing.