Serial Number 200000

Funny because one of the exclusive features of "Ferrari" is there rarity, this serial number kind of dilutes that. A number that Enzo's handmade cars couldn't and wouldn't even dream of! Otter

 

(Some) US Alonso Edition 599s were built in January (186xxx), and are just now starting to arrive (in April). Figure Ferrari's making about 7,000 cars per year, I figure serial number 200000 will be built between March-May of next year. If it's gonna be a US car, I imagine it'll be here late spring or early summer.

But I'm more interested in learning the model type of serial number 177690! Anyone here know that car?!? Feel free to PM me if necessary!

 

Well, according to food.com, recipe #177690 is an Italian Monte Cristo sandwich. Hope that helps.

www.food.com/recipe/italian-monte-cristo-sandwich-177690

 

I think Ferrari is making more then 7,000 cars a year..I think its closer to 10-12 thousand. They fudge production numbers big time. 399 Enzo's?? Yea right

 

You suck.

LOL, that actually doesn't help me one bit, but thank you. ...now I want a sandwich - thanks.

No, they seem to be right around seven a year. True, production numbers of limited edition cars have been largely misleading, but they haven't lied about the number of cars leaving the factory.

 

Did they actually make 399 or 400 Enzos? I'd like to think they were honest about that one.

 

Let's stick with 500 - it's a nice, round number. But I have reason to believe it's just north of that (like 520).

 

Sorry it took so long to reply, I was too busy burning all of my Ferrari stuff and I will no longer be posting here after this as even seeing the word "Ferrari" angers me on too many levels.


JK you guys haven't run me out yet


But that is stupid how they are lying to make a few extra bucks. With the Enzo, why didn't they just say "we are making 500?" Not exclusive enough? Oh well I guess that's just how business goes.
I wonder how many owners actually believe that Ferrari didn't lie about the numbers? I knew they lied about the 599 GTO and the 16m but not the Enzo. I didn't think they would mess with a car in that category. Well I guess they kinda did with the F40. Didn't they say they would only build a couple hundred and built over 1300?

 

Let's do the math - and people far more educated about automobile manufacturing costs should feel free to chime in at any point.

If sticker price on an Enzo was $650K+, let's assume it cost them half that to make it (and I really have no idea how much it cost them to make an Enzo, probably much less). And so for the sake of round numbers, let's just go with an even $300K profit on each Enzo. Make 399, that's very exclusive, everyone lines up. Make another "mum's the word" 100 or so, and that's $30MM more in profit. I don't care who you are, thirty mil is a nice chunk of "extra" change.

And yeah, Ferrari officially made 1,315 F40s (but it's really north of 1,400).

 

I get that it makes a ton of extra money and they are all about that. From the beginning Enzo cared about money not honesty so Luca is staying true to what Enzo did.
I guess I thought they were a bit more honest, but hey, this is Ferrari, they do what they want and if you don't like it, they don't care.
Can't say I'm not suprised.

 

If you're adding 7,000 per year and starting at 186000 then that means two years doesn't it? So 200000 would be late 2014 or early 2015 on that basis.

Jonathan

 

It made sense at the time, but I'm an admitted mathematical retard, so I'm just gonna escape responsibility on this one and blame a repeatedly-concussed, wrinkle-less brain.


...but having a go at the math a second time around, if 186xxx was built in January, 2012, then 200000, which is 14,000 serial numbers later, and Ferrari is making 7,000 cars a year, should come out, at the latest, in January, 2014.

If anyone else with a calculator, and who has not been run over by a Pontiac, would care to provide an alternative theory, I'm certainly open to it.

 

I think it is quite possible that the serial number will be reserved for a one-off similar to Peter Kalikow's SA or Clapton's SP12. They could charge a million or so extra for that chassis number.

Downside for Ferrari is: this way they really can only make one with that number....


Onno

 

Both valid and interesting points - but one of them sounds like it'll make more money. And thanks for not including any math in either of your posts!

 

If Ferrari fudges the numbers on the supercars, which are easier to keep track of, then I'm quite sure they fudge the numbers on the regular production cars too. This keeps prices higher then they need to be. Nice way to keep the "exclusivness" of the brand alive and well.

 

So no one knows 177690?

 

How can the same S/N be assigned to more than one car? Surely this has to be a unique indicator of the identity of the chassis?

 

Cars of that magnitude aren't even registered half the time. Also, there is no "worldwide" DMV, so if someone in Spain registers an F50 whose VIN is identical to another F50 registered in Germany or Japan or Los Angeles.

 

Although I know Ferrari haven't been honest about the number of 'limited edition' cars built, as far as the ordinary road cars go, I'd suspect the build numbers could be even LESS than what they're claiming. During my factory visit 2 years ago, the line was running way under capacity. Company annual report should give an accurate number.

BTW, are the serial numbers actually consecutive ie is 29041 really the 29,041st car built?

 

If someone feeds and houses Carbon for a year I bet he'll count every Ferrari that leaves the factory. And he'll have pictures of each with serial numbers. Anyone in Italy up for that?

GT

 

Ferrari's annual production numbers are no lie. They've been just north of 6,000 cars annually for the last few years. But it makes no sense for them to make less limited production models than stated, since exclusivity is factored into the sticker price of the limited production models.

No - 127690 is the 100,000th Ferrari built. From 001 S up through 74999, none of the even numbers were used. Dinos were a separate serial number line altogether, along with 333 SPs, pre-1970 F1 cars, and post-1970 F1 cars. The vintage racecars were even-only serial numbers (starting, ironically, with 01 C, 02 C, 03 C, and then starting again, this time even only, with 002 C all the way up through 024 MB, then start again with 0002 M and going all the way up to 1050).

The Challenge cars that we know and love (348, 355, 360, 430 and 458) all have full VINs whose serial numbers fall into the current system shared with road cars. But other racecars, like the 360 GT, 360 N-GT, 575 GTC, 430 GTC and 430 GT2, are on a completely different four-number serial number system (e.g., 430 GTC s/n 2656 is identified as F131EVOGTC2656).

There have been some mistakes and doubles along the way, but that's the basic layout.

I'm down with that - although there are few Italians who would support such a cause as most of them are very private about that kind of information, and are suspicious of anyone who collects it. But I'm in! Have camera, will travel - especially to Italy where the women, wine and food are as exotic as the cars. Standing outside the factory all day, taking pictures of prototypes and cars being test-driven before being shipped sounds like an excellent reason and way to take a year off.