SOLD! and Thank You..

joe sackey · May 11, 2012

roytoy2003 said: ↑

I, as well, have no mechanical, body or paint work experiance...I have to call AAA to have a tire changed LOL. BUT, I can drive a car and look at it and with in minutes tell you what the issues are and what it needs..I sant do the work..but I know what needs to be done.

I have seen work done by many first hand, some good, some not so good. I can tell you that the "best" price is NOT always the "best" work. It also is true on the other hand, a large pay out does not insure the "best" work. But continued use of a correct Vendor that provides excellent work on eaxh project every time...thats the ones you stick with and work with IMO.

It might be helpful, since many are familiar with the 'KNOW" names and service providers if Joe would want to share his "other" sources of quality work at a fraction of the cost of these know service providers..?

I recall in the past your "Championship" ravings for Gary B in San Diego. He is again Top Notch as well in my book, currently taking care of my 400GT 2 + 2 as well, but his valuable service is at a cost. What are your thoughts of his service/operations?

There is Tony in FLorida, who I have never had any work done for myself on any of my cars...so I have no "first hand" knowledge of his work, but is another source..? DO you have thoughts on his service ability's as well and pricing structure?
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I agree that just because you throw out a big number, that does not mean the best work has been carried out. But I already pointed that out in my previous post!

However, I find it very interesting that you continuously claim you have "no mechanical, body or paintwork experience", but yet, you can tell "within minutes what the issues are, and what it needs". How do you do that with no experience? Just curious.

In the past I have mentioned several providers, as have you. But in the classic car game things are changing fast, and you have to take note. For example. There is a San Diego-based gentleman who is fully restoring his Miura. http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=355094 He is managing the entire process himself, and is using several different providers to accomplish his desired end-result to an extremely high standard. Therein lies the key. In the last few years this is exactly what I have done. The old advent of simply sending someone your car and waiting to see what the big bill is, no longer works satisfactorily IMO, at least, not for me. Nor is it the smart thing to do IMO. I want to be involved with managing the entire process, and this means a hands-on diagnosis of the work required agreed with myself personally present, a cast-iron contract that stipulates agreed time-frame & expense, parts-sourcing done myself, and regular visits by myself to ascertain that the work is being carried out to the desired standard (anything that is not, has to be re-done at the provider's cost).

I find that this approach means that I can get a quality result for a sensible cost.

Where the work is extensive several providers are used. The providers I use are people with extensive experience with whom I've built up a relationship and who are aware of my exacting standards and what I might require. They are conveniently local to me. As regards who, I must defer and state that I got out of the 'endorsement' business several years ago for liability & legal reasons. As we all know, vouching for someone else's work is like crossing a live minefield and hoping for the best, and you will always find someone who did not have a good experience. On the other hand, the sole entity that I can endorse is my own, because I can ensure that the work gets done well for a sensible price. Naturally I counsel my clients accordingly.

I find that having had the amount of experience I have had with Countachs helps me tremendously, and I am only too happy to afford my clients with the benefit of same.

Hope this helps.

roytoy2003 · May 11, 2012

joe sackey said: ↑

I agree that just because you throw out a big number, that does not mean the best work has been carried out. But I already pointed that out in my previous post!

However, I find it very interesting that you continuously claim you have "no mechanical, body or paintwork experience", but yet, you can tell "within minutes what the issues are, and what it needs". How do you do that with no experience? Just curious.

In the past I have mentioned several providers, as have you. But in the classic car game things are changing fast, and you have to take note. For example. There is a San Diego-based gentleman who is fully restoring his Miura. http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=355094 He is managing the entire process himself, and is using several different providers to accomplish his desired end-result to an extremely high standard. Therein lies the key. In the last few years this is exactly what I have done. The old advent of simply sending someone your car and waiting to see what the big bill is, no longer works satisfactorily IMO, at least, not for me. Nor is it the smart thing to do IMO. I want to be involved with managing the entire process, and this means a hands-on diagnosis of the work required agreed with myself personally present, a cast-iron contract that stipulates agreed time-frame & expense, parts-sourcing done myself, and regular visits by myself to ascertain that the work is being carried out to the desired standard (anything that is not, has to be re-done at the provider's cost).

I find that this approach means that I can get a quality result for a sensible cost.

Where the work is extensive several providers are used. The providers I use are people with extensive experience with whom I've built up a relationship and who are aware of my exacting standards and what I might require. They are conveniently local to me. As regards who, I must defer and state that I got out of the 'endorsement' business several years ago for liability & legal reasons. As we all know, vouching for someone else's work is like crossing a live minefield and hoping for the best, and you will always find someone who did not have a good experience. On the other hand, the sole entity that I can endorse is my own, because I can ensure that the work gets done well for a sensible price. Naturally I counsel my clients accordingly.

I find that having had the amount of experience I have had with Countachs helps me tremendously, and I am only too happy to afford my clients with the benefit of same.

Hope this helps.
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It does..and if you re-read my post..you will see thatit clearly says "no experiance" in as mush as I am not a painter, nor a mechanic, nor do I crawl under..cars..but like you, have the knowledge to know what needs to be done and the go about having that completed...unless you are experianced in painting cars, body work and doing your own full on mechanical..that would be news to me..but good for you..

As far as the "recomendation" business..I dont understand...if you recomend and "Champion", just to name a few Gary B and Tony out of Florida for so long..are you now saying their work has caused you issues with your customers..??? I think that would not be the case..but something else...just strange how someone uses someoen for years and the abrublety has no contact with them and no further business withh them as well..and then to side step that with a obvious cover excuse of some sort of "Legal" issue...just does not add up for me..UHmmmmm

But I am happy, not worried about any Legal issue, to state George has done great for em, Gary has done great for me, Steve has done great for me...my main 3 resourches I use and am happy with every time.

joe sackey · May 11, 2012

roytoy2003 said: ↑

resourches I use and am happy with every time.
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Same here.

Changing the course of how one does business, fine-tuning one's practices need not be because of any problem.

You love to assume & insinuate.

Surely any good businessman can understand the legal liability of someone in my position facilitating the sale of a car based on a third party's involvement in restoration at my recommendation? Sometimes you change direction, simply because its more cost-effective or more comfortable. That's all. What good businessman keeps the status quo forever, if there is a better way? Change can be good. In my position, I think its smart for me to not stick my neck out and endorse someone whose activities & practices I cannot control. Makes sense?

I described how I get my cars in top condition. That's how I do it. You don't necessarily need to understand why, although I'm sure many do. You do it differently, and that's great.

Hope that helps.

Countachqv · May 11, 2012

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The second possible buyer, which Kirk can confirm as I forwarded him the e-mails, asked me to aske Kirk if he would re-sale the car to him at a increased price instead of taking delivery of the car, Kirk declined, after all it was his car at this point, awaiting shippment out.

The second possible buyer has since increased his offer TWICE in two seperate e-mails to me, (forwarded to Kirk). I think Kirk is happy to know his car is of more value then he paid for, while it has yet to ship out to him...
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This always amazes me.. someone will lose a deal arguing for a few bucks and then when they realized they lost the deal they'll throw 10x as much to get it back...

that thinking seems flawed to me. The potential buyer is either crazy or he was not genuine and true about what he told you the car was worth from him.

Regardless, between you and Joe, the "Nice" DDs with minor work on the edges seem to be coming around $170k-200K today. I am backing out the restoration work you paid for it because that does skew the real value of a typical DD. Usually , no Countach get sold with such an extensive and recent full out restoration.

The DDs from europe are ready for import in the US. their price is getting close and they are over 25 years!

geno berns · May 11, 2012

Joe-

Thank you for the offer, I understand that there are shops that charge more than other shops and there are people that tend to give blank checks to shops and than get a little raped. But please lets stick to the topic at hand. The $169K DD that was just sold. It would be good to know more on the car's condition, but say the new owner wants a perfect car or close to it. I don't know any other way but to go through the entire car and address every thing. What kind of saving are we talking about that would not immediately get the owner into the $300K territory? I mean are you going to just do some things and leave other items/systems alone that are now over 25 years old? All I was saying that the best DD's if for sale that are either time capsule cars like my car that have had very little use or ones that Tony or Gary fully restors will commend $275K+ all day long. I believe that this is the upper range today.

Geno

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Geno,

I am not sure how much experience you have had restoring, reconditioning or refurbishing Countachs in particular.

In my humble experience with the cars, I have owned a few which needed nothing at all. But, others needed varying degrees of attention from complete mechanical & cosmetic restorations to moderate reconditioning or refurbishment. Rest assured, I have a preference for cars in great-to-perfect condition, so the goal remains to come as close as possible. The sums involved range from $2,000, to $138,000. The point is, I have some personal experience as it relates to how much it might cost to bring a Countach up to perfect condition, and I hope you are assured that an estimate I make on what one might might need is realistic for that particular car.

My specific experience relates to these particular Countach that I owned:

Countach LP500S 12515 - complete ground up restoration, engine rebuild, gearbox rebuild, suspension rebuild, brakes rebuild, full repaint.

Countach LP500S 12562 - partial repaint, engine rebuild.

Countach LP400 1120192 - partial repaint, engine top end rebuild.

Countach LP400S 1121034 - suspension & brakes rebuild.

Countach LP400 1120110 - partial repaint, partial interior refurbishment, engine rebuild, gearbox rebuild, suspension rebuild.

Countach LP400S 1121036 - carburetors rebuild.

Countach LP400 1120056 - partial repaint, partial interior refurbishment, engine top end rebuild.

Countach LP400S 1121038 - complete ground up restoration, engine rebuild, suspension rebuild, brakes rebuild, full repaint.

Along the way, I have learned that by managing projects myself, and finding the right people to perform the work, it is not always necessary to throw vast sums to bring a Countach up to par.

I happen to know Frank Triarsi's operation (Classic Coach) and George Evans' operation (Evans Automotive) and whilst they are thorough, I can tell you that their work was quite expensive for what was accomplished IMHO, and I am here to suggest that the same results can be achieved for less.

I would be happy to guide you and share some of my Countach experience with you gratis even though you did not buy your car through me (I do this all the time!), and it would be my pleasure to be a resource to you in aiding you to bring your car up to as close as perfect as possible. You can call upon my assistance anytime.

Hope this helps your perspective.
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joe sackey · May 12, 2012

geno berns said: ↑

I don't know any other way but to go through the entire car and address every thing.
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You are assuming this needs to be done.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=141437036&postcount=52

roytoy2003 · May 12, 2012

joe sackey said: ↑

You are assuming this needs to be done.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=141437036&postcount=52
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I dont think Geno, myself or anyone with a 'Memory" can assume anything you put down as the "word" any longer..after all it is pretty common knowledge the history repeats itself..

Lets just review this AD you posted on this specific car that this thread is dedicated to:

Sure seems like a lot of "fancy" BS to me..as we have on record it was NO WHERE near as described..no books just for starters..and the list can go on and on and on..but of course, it ended up as not described because you did not sell it for your "facilitaor" fee//...

and who ever buys into that excuse..I have a 1988 1/2 DD with only 168 deliver miles on it..offered at $105K.."needs nothing" where I have I hear (or read) that before..??

This 1988 1/2 Countach QV # 12292 was built to one-off special order for the ex-Denver Broncos team owner and US Steel magnate heir Edgar Kaiser. Finished in "Blu Tahiti (#215854) with "Blu con giletti Bianchi" the car was fitted with a close-ratio gearbox # 1316 and a factory tuned engine number 1503. Completed early on December the 17th 1987, 12292 was collected at the Sant Agata factory by Edgar Kaiser himself, using Italian Touring (Escursionisti Esteri) plates EE.556.AK to drive the car out of the factory gates! After touring Europe at high speed, the car was flown back to Canada on a private aircraft and kept in Kaiser's car collection for the next decade. Kaiser's business colleague bought the car and in 2008 contacted Joe Sackey Classics about finding it a new home. The car comes with books, tools and remains in 100% original one-off livery as it left the factory. 21,429 km (13,315 miles) from new.
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joe sackey · May 12, 2012

roytoy2003 said: ↑

This 1988 1/2 Countach QV # 12292 was built to one-off special order for the ex-Denver Broncos team owner and US Steel magnate heir Edgar Kaiser. Finished in "Blu Tahiti (#215854) with "Blu con giletti Bianchi" the car was fitted with a close-ratio gearbox # 1316 and a factory tuned engine number 1503. Completed early on December the 17th 1987, 12292 was collected at the Sant Agata factory by Edgar Kaiser himself, using Italian Touring (Escursionisti Esteri) plates EE.556.AK to drive the car out of the factory gates! After touring Europe at high speed, the car was flown back to Canada on a private aircraft and kept in Kaiser's car collection for the next decade. Kaiser's business colleague bought the car and in 2008 contacted Joe Sackey Classics about finding it a new home. The car comes with books, tools and remains in 100% original one-off livery as it left the factory. 21,429 km (13,315 miles) from new.
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Represented exactly as it is, and I think the current owner will proudly agree.

h2oskier · May 12, 2012

Cool car

Many Congrats to the new owner. Reading the thread he appears extremely happy.

I would only add
Roy
you can't compare Countach car prices to Picasso.

His paintings signed range from 10k to 100 million.

Maybe comparing the broad range of Ferrari 308 to 250 gto would be a better spectrum of comparison.
30k to 35 million is a touch closer comparison than 150k to 300k.

I hope the new owner enjoys this beast everyday and I as a possible buyer one day of a Miura hope that both
Roy and Joe continue strong in their business plans making sure good cars get traded fairly amongst interested parties

I see both of these guys as a massive ASSET to this car community and I truly appreciate all they do

Thanks guys.

Peter K. · May 12, 2012

I like how you 2 just keep dancing around each other. We know you both have something on the other.
Just humorous how you keep bringing things up from why Joe & Gary do not do business....you know why...don't play dumb, you are trying to bait, Joe and the books...Roy's checkered past, etc etc....

So......you guys can bury the other....so what! You guys have done nothing with the info you have except play cat and mouse. Consider growing up and stop the tit-for tat.
With all do respect

blown daytona · May 12, 2012

Ditto! I feel this site is for true enthusiasts, nor for car salesmen trying to further their causes.

alberto · May 12, 2012

Will you guys stop the who has the bigger dick argument and move on?

blown daytona · May 12, 2012

I just fell down laughing so hard.....my wife is calling an ambulance

Peter K. · May 12, 2012

I told countachqv that we should fly to the west coast and have a pow wow with Joe and Roy. (a sit down, clear the air, raise a glass, and celebrate the marque and laugh like friends)

joe sackey · May 12, 2012

alberto said: ↑

Will you guys stop the who has the bigger dick argument and move on?
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Alberto, to be fair its not like that at all. Clearly, one party is only here to impart information that hopefully is helpful and remains focused on that, and another rants & raves and takes shots continually. That's very obvious.

Peter K. · May 12, 2012

+1

Peter K. · May 12, 2012

roytoy2003 said: ↑

I dont think Geno, myself or anyone with a 'Memory" can assume anything you put down as the "word" any longer..after all it is pretty common knowledge the history repeats itself..

Lets just review this AD you posted on this specific car that this thread is dedicated to:

Sure seems like a lot of "fancy" BS to me..as we have on record it was NO WHERE near as described..no books just for starters..and the list can go on and on and on..but of course, it ended up as not described because you did not sell it for your "facilitaor" fee//...

and who ever buys into that excuse..I have a 1988 1/2 DD with only 168 deliver miles on it..offered at $105K.."needs nothing" where I have I hear (or read) that before..??

This 1988 1/2 Countach QV # 12292 was built to one-off special order for the ex-Denver Broncos team owner and US Steel magnate heir Edgar Kaiser. Finished in "Blu Tahiti (#215854) with "Blu con giletti Bianchi" the car was fitted with a close-ratio gearbox # 1316 and a factory tuned engine number 1503. Completed early on December the 17th 1987, 12292 was collected at the Sant Agata factory by Edgar Kaiser himself, using Italian Touring (Escursionisti Esteri) plates EE.556.AK to drive the car out of the factory gates! After touring Europe at high speed, the car was flown back to Canada on a private aircraft and kept in Kaiser's car collection for the next decade. Kaiser's business colleague bought the car and in 2008 contacted Joe Sackey Classics about finding it a new home. The car comes with books, tools and remains in 100% original one-off livery as it left the factory. 21,429 km (13,315 miles) from new.
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This, if I am correct, as well as another, got screwed up by Tony in Fla while owned by the previous owner?....eventually Evans sort them?

blown daytona · May 12, 2012

joe sackey said: ↑

Alberto, to be fair its not like that at all. Clearly, one party is only here to impart information that hopefully is helpful and remains focused on that, and another rants & raves and takes shots continually. That's very obvious.
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You have got a point...never seen a historical point come from ...

ferraripete · May 12, 2012

sackey has done a tremendous job adding true historical value to these threads in fchat.

cats uses fchat to showboat and say look at me...sold, sold, sold.

if given a chioce of whose posts to read...i will always prefer the former but the latter often provides fantastic comic relief!

it is clear to me that if roy had his way he would like to run joe out of fchat...that would be a huge loss of value to all of us. there are a handful of folks who continually contribute to this site and sackey is among them.

pcb

joe sackey · May 12, 2012

blown daytona said: ↑

You have got a point...never seen a historical point come from ...
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Thank you. Please read between the lines, or contact me privately and I will share with you what you need to know.

Peter K. · May 12, 2012

ferraripete said: ↑

sackey has done a tremendous job adding true historical value to these threads in fchat.

cats uses fchat to showboat and say look at me...sold, sold, sold.

if given a chioce of whose posts to read...i will always prefer the former but the latter often provides fantastic comic relief!

it is clear to me that if roy had his way he would like to run joe out of fchat...that would be a huge loss of value to all of us. there are a handful of folks who continually contribute to this site and sackey is among them.

pcb
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Wow, lol.

jollygood · May 12, 2012

Peter K. said: ↑

This, if I am correct, as well as another, got screwed up by Tony in Fla while owned by the previous owner?....eventually Evans sort them?
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What is this thing about people getting screwed by Tony in FLA?
I was about to send a car to his shop...

roytoy2003 · May 12, 2012

joe sackey said: ↑

Alberto, to be fair its not like that at all. Clearly, one party is only here to impart information that hopefully is helpful and remains focused on that, and another rants & raves and takes shots continually. That's very obvious.
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By who's standards? Your's of coures??

Look it is no secret I have an issue with Joe. Why and what really does not matter any longer. I am a believer in what goes around comes around, sooner or later. I do not HATE Joe, that is a strong word that I dont think anyone deserves. I do agree Joe brings way more "Historical" trivia here then I do and I enjoy reading it just as I enjoy a good TV show or any other from of entertainment that you say WOW to, that is cool.....I just never have been so concerned what color shirt the factory worker was wearing on the day a certain Miura SV was built or what screw driver was were when it was finished.

I buy and enjoy cars because I like them, want to drive them and then enjoy moving on to the next. It is pretty well know I could care less for the most part the exact history or the exact placement of an "upside" down "S" on the back of a Countach..after all, when I corrected the "upside" down "S" on the S2 Lowbody I just had, I took it out for a run...as much as I tried it did not perfrom any different nor go any faster..so for me Big woopie, for others important..no problem...to each his own. For me it needs to DRIVE, screw the history..I can READ about Histoy in Joe's book...I sure the HELL can't drive his book..

I also have been a person that does not believe CRAP, espicaly in print unless it can be backed up. While I am sure a lot of Joe's information does come from records etc etc and is correct..there are also times it is just IMO old wifes tales..and the standard Joe answer is "Well you know how well the factory kept records"..this may be true..but unless it is confirmed..then it is not a fact...it is a rumor..some more colorful then others. Each person has to take these statements for what they are..but IMO they are of no greater value or of correct JUST because JOE said so...but people well believe what they want. Again, fine each their own.

As far as "struting" my feathers for sold sold sold..I agree again 110%. I can tell anyone that is considering opening a retail showroom..take it from me..as I was warned DONT! I had many a folks tell me that as soon as I open it, I will no longer be considered a guy that loves the cars, has fun with them, champions the brand against others..etc etc. I did not think that would happen and I post cars in and out as I enjoy each and every car I get, even if it is for a short time and a few miles. I still have cars that are NOT posted for sale or are SO HIGH priced its common sense I dont want to sell them, I keep them till I reallly want to part with them, which a few will never happen in my life. I guess it is just a fact of life that I am now viewed as just "another" Dealer making a buck at "flipping" cars. It hurts, but it is my fault as I was warned. So I take the flack for it on myself.

As far as taking Jabs at "Joe" as Joe states. Again I will concede I just dont have the gift of the "Golden Tounge" as Joe does to avoid the question, side step it or turn it around statement of the english command language he has. I was lucky to get out of High School..worked my ass off and have no one to be holding to or sorry for what I have built from nothing with no secondary education. What I leave for my children makes me proud and glad I was lucky enough to rise to sucess in this hard to live world.

I do think in life, everyone has the right...no the DUTY..to speak up if they dis-agree with an issue or KNOW it to be in-correct or in-acurate. BUT this world is no longer a world of handshake agreement, a mans word is his honor etc etc...nope, it is a world of "Talk to my Lawyer", it's to exspensive to sue so you wont, my insurance company will just pay out and not go to court..EVEN if you are a 100% correct because its cheaper to pay off then fight it.

BUT I could go on and on for ever as I have strong convictions about things and anyone that knows me first hand knows darn well I speak my mind. On the other hand, my mother would always tell me, time after time, "If they are not taking food of your table..worry about you and yours". I think I have strayed from her advise long enough in the last year or so.

Point is, the "Board" has spoken, there is no reason for me to spend time waging my battle with Joe or anyone else here in Public..does no good. I gain nothing and food is not leaving my table. BUT, as Joe says..PM him for details..I respectfully say..please dont PM me for details..there is only so much he said she said a person can take. However a "Golden Tounge" statement like that is exactly how you deflect scrutiny and is the root of Rumor spreading.

I cant in good conscience apology to anyone here, is I felt I did nothing wrong..I have heard what has come out here..and will just go with the flow. I will make a 100% change and ONLY post my for sale or Sold Sold Sold cars in my "Sponser Thread" which I pay dearly for and is a must for a board such as this to have sponsers to stay alive and cover operating costs. Anyone is welcome to view there and if not, wont have to be trouble with my posting of inbound or outbound cars...maybe Joe could step up to that spondership level as well...or at least abide to the same and no longer post cars "available-contact me" in this section as well....at least that would seem fair to me...??

Happy Mother's Day to all and to all have a good weekend. I am off to Mecum Spring Auto Auction in Indy..will be fun, cool cars, maybe snag me something fun for the summer.

Roy Cats

joe sackey · May 12, 2012

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...maybe Joe could step up to that spondership level as well...
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I have been a Sponsor for years. Note to the right-hand-side of my Avatar. Hope that helps.

roytoy2003 · May 12, 2012

joe sackey said: ↑

I have been a Sponsor for years. Note to the right-hand-side of my Avatar. Hope that helps.
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Yes, see I try and all you answer is a "twisted" half ass answer..so as you always tell me

"READ MY POST AGAIN" you are NOT a Section sponsor, you are a base sponsor, which FYI, as you know..is only 10% cost of what a full section thread sponsor is..I am that as well as a standard Sponsor such as you..so dont play it off as your equal on that..your NOT!

"Hope this helps"

Best,

Roy Cats

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