Serial Number 200000

Sounds like fun, can I join and be your apprentice? I'm a quick learner and I don't require much.

 

I'm gonna have enough trouble getting people to fund the idea for me alone - two people sounds damn near impossible! But if you want to start auditioning, go to car shows and dealerships and photograph VINs - take pictures of each car showing all of the interior and exterior options, colors, details, etc.; if the car is old enough to feature an analogue odometer, get a shot of the mileage. E-mail me all photographs, detailing the date and location the images were taken, and whether or not an event was in progress during that time.

 

I've already got some for you. I emailed back and forth with you a couple weeks ago. I'm learning how to get vins with out being spotted and recording data.
I was kidding about going to Italy with you by the way. Hope you caught oin to the joke.

 

Yeah, I figured you were kidding - but I wasn't.

Most people like to take all sorts of "artistic" and angled pictures of Ferraris, so when you're aiming your camera at a certain angle, no one's thinking twice about what you're photographing. The zoom feature, coupled with a flash, allows you to get a crisp image of almost any detail without being obvious.

 

Ah, another expert.

 

Well actually, yes. More of a 'hands on guy' than a 'numbers guy' though....
CH

 

Here's my obligatory bump to see if anyone knows the car to which this serial number belongs.

 

NNO

01C, 02C, 002, 004C

There is no credible proof of 03C

002C is a mistake. Chassis and COA is 002.

 

"Let me tell you a story"..... Race cars, so "sketchy" at best btw....

Way back in the day I went to the Chevron factory and built 3 B?? Formula 3 cars that were ultimately destined for Germany. [Before the UK joined the EU BTW.]

We took two down to Ricard to do some testing on a carnet - Chassis #'s 002 & 003 IIRC. Someone noticed that the carnet said 001 & 002, so we stuck another chassis plate over the original and off we went - 001 over 003. No problems either way.

Then, I'm driving the truck out of the UK to export 'em for good (different paperwork of course) and the customs guy wanted a "look-see" - To justify himself he wanted to "check the chassis #'s". Of course, we'd forgotten to remove the temporary plate and he saw *two* chassis # 001's!..... :eek" - I thought I was in deep do-do!....

"No worries - just get your customs agent to change the #'s!" - They freaked out, but did as asked - I presented the export papers showing two cars with the same #, he stamped it and I was on my way - Perfectly legally it seems to have two cars with the same #!



Cheers,
Ian

 

Hi, Jim...

S/N 03 C is apparently the second car built, originally a 159 with a full-width open roadster Touring body, driven by Cortese/Righetti in early 1947. In Stan Nowak's The First Ferraris (CAVALLINO, #19), he asserts 03 C became 004 C.

S/N 02 C (not to be confused with your 002 C) later became 020 I, and 01 C later became 010 I.

 

Stan was wrong. There never was 03C. Stan published a lot of things that were wrong.

When he was selling something it was often "The first Ferrari". While some claim the chassis remains of 01C were used in 010I many believe they weren't and that the 01C stamp is a forgery done in England in the 70ies. Fewer believe that the chassis of 02C became 020I. 002 and 004C were build new as the third and fourth Ferrari's in 1947. 002 is the oldest existing Ferrari with continuos history from 1947 to today.

The chassis stamping of 002 and 004C are quite original and clear and 004C shows NO sign of ever being stamped "03C"

 

As is often times the case with sketchy vintage Ferrari serial numbers, the opposing viewpoints from disputing camps only muddies the path to the truth; and the restamping(s) only obfuscate the situation. These vintage topics are a bit beyond my scope, so I'd have to defer to others who are more familiar with these cars - perhaps Marcel could provide some insight. But this is the first I'm hearing that these cars are fakes/forgeries and/or never really existed in the first place.

 

It's not that 010I and 020I are fake it's that some believe that the chassis of 01C and 02C weren't reused to make them.

There is a post where someone does claim that the 01C stamp under the 010I stamp was forged in England in the 70ies.

Michael Muller in Vintage is the expert. As an aside Marcel stated that Ferrari had not Classiched "01C/010I"

If you want to spin your head there are several threads about these cars and Stan.

 

Is it possible to trace cars back with some type metallurgy? As an example, gold can be traced back to it's origin by looking at it at the molecular level.

Is something like that even possible?

GT

 

One other thing, if metal is truly stamped and ground away there should be traces that are left behind that show up as a different level of hardness in the metal.

GT

 

I think there's a way of doing that. IIRC the ATF and other law enforcement agencies use some sort of acid etching technique to raise the serial number on seized guns where a criminal has attempted to remove the SN.

 

Was thinking about this now after seeing the 2014 F12 advertised on about 196xxx.

Has 200 000 been reached yet? I guess it should be any time now.

 

And 200000..?

Gr. Martin

 

I live in an area where Ferraris are very rare and I have now seen two cars with serials above 200000.


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