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  1. Aircon

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  3. FazzerPorscheman

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    I hope Mark wins. That would make six different winners.
     
  4. PAP 348

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    DAMN IT!!

    +1, or whomever! :D

    Schmuie is findning form, that is GREAT!!

    Webber and Massa have done well this round also in quali.

    I can't WAIT for the race!! It's gunna be a cracker. The season is just getting better and better. :eek:
     
  5. Aircon

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    From James Allen

    In a surprising and frantic qualifying session in Monaco, 43 year old Michael Schumacher gave Mercedes its second pole position of the season and the 69th of his career. Schumacher is the fourth oldest pole sitter of all-time; only Jack Brabham, Juan-Manuel Fangio and Giuseppe Farina took pole position at a greater age than Schumacher is today. He is the oldest pole position driver since Spanish GP 1970.

    But with the 5 place penalty he was handed for the collision with Bruno Senna in Spain, Mark Webber will inherit the pole, his second in Monaco. And that will give him a golden opportunity to become the sixth winner in six races, which would be the first time in F1 history.

    Webber won the race from pole here in 2010 and has every chance of a repeat tomorrow, as Monaco has been won from pole all but one occasion in the last seven years. Nico Rosberg was third on the day and will therefore start from the front row tomorrow with his best chance yet of a win in the he grew up in.

    The threat from McLaren, Lotus and Ferrari was somewhat blunted. Romain Grosjean saved two new sets of supersofts, but the signs were already there from his team mate’s struggles that the Lotus wasn’t really performing over a single lap. It’s strengths lie in low speed traction and the way that lack of wheelspin leads to better tyre life on long runs. However Grosjean was lying second after the first runs in Q3, but Grosjean’s final run didn’t work out in the middle sector.

    “I did a very good lap in the first part of Q3 but then I couldn’t improve on my second set of tyres, ” said the 26 year old Frenchman. “This was a shame because our strategy was perfect for the last part of qualifying. The traffic wasn’t too bad but I missed out in sector two. I think pole position was within reach.”

    Nevertheless Grosjean starts fourth, just behind Lewis Hamilton, another pre-race favourite. The McLaren wasn’t at the top of the time sheets at any stage in qualifying, but Hamilton – one of only two drivers to have scored points in every race – is on a consistency programme and will be targetting a podium as a minimum tomorrow.

    The Ferrari duo of Fernando Alonso and Felipe Massa were much closer then they have been in prior races and they will sandwich Schumacher on the grid tomorrow in fifth and seventh. They looked to be competitive throughout, although Massa was unable to improve on his Q2 lap time and challenge for pole position. Sebastian Vettel used up all his sets of supersofts just to get into Q3 for the second race in a row. He set no time in Q3 again, so has a free choice on starting tyre tomorrow and has hinted he may start on the harder tyre.

    Pastor Maldonado will start 19th after being handed a 10 place penalty by stewards for driving into Perez at the end of practice 3.

    Mercedes’ threat had been clear from Saturday morning practice; Rosberg had been the pace setter and was on provisional pole after the first runs in Q3. But he did not find enough improvement at the end to hold it and Schumacher and Webber slipped through.

    The Mercedes pairing looked like potential pole sitters from the outset of qualifying, as they were both in the top five in each session. A variety of cars were in amongst the front three rows of the grid during the earlier stages, including Felipe Massa, who set the pace in Q2 and, like Schumacher has done no harm to his confidence.

    As is often the case in Monaco, track conditions improved significantly during the session and times continued to drop until the dying seconds of each session, causing headaches for teams that did not want to waste a second set of tyres. However, the lack of overtaking in the Principality means that starting position is all the more important. And for those that could get the job done in the earlier sessions on just one set of tyres, they were able to save a set of options for the final shoot-out. This was the case for the front three cars, as well as Hamilton and Grosjean.

    Schumacher did not want to compare the pole to others from his first career, “Monaco is so special, it’s more of a driver track than others but it’s super fantastic if you do such a lap. We saw how tight qualifying was. It’s sweet and a good feeling. You come back and hope for results and finally you get it together and are able to prove it. You have to see there are two different chapters of my career,” said Schumacher. “This is the second one. It’s the best position I’ve been in and I can give back a little to the team for all the trust that’s been put in me these last two years.”

    Webber was delighted with the way qualifying had turned out, especially after not finding the sweet spot in practice on Thursday, but some changes to the balance on the car since Thursday have given him a car with the feel he was looking for.

    “Its Michael’s day, it was a good lap from him,” said Webber. “Quali is the first time you start to pull everything together. I was aiming for the first few rows, I thought I would go for pole, it was a good lap and it’s a good position to start from tomorrow.”

    The session started with Sergio Perez crashing heavily in the Sauber after a breakage in the left side of his steering arm. This is the corner of the car that was hit by Pastor Maldonado at the end of FP3, which led to Maldonado being given a 10 place grid penalty by the stewards.

    In Q2 Jenson Button was the high profile scalp, failing to make the cut, along with both Force Indias, both Toro Rossos, Senna and Kobayashi. The Briton had set the fastest time in practice on Thursday but couldn’t get the performance when it mattered. He only just scraped through Q1 by a tenth of a second.

    [Additional Reporting: Matt Meadows]

    MONACO GRAND PRIX, Qualifying
    1. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m14.301s
    2. Mark Webber Red Bull 1m14.381s + 0.080
    3. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m14.448s + 0.147
    4. Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1m14.583s + 0.282
    5. Romain Grosjean Lotus 1m14.639s + 0.338
    6. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m14.948s + 0.647
    7. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m15.049s + 0.748
    8. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus 1m15.199s + 0.898
    9. Pastor Maldonado Williams 1m15.245s + 0.944
    10. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull no time

    11. Nico Hulkenberg Force India 1m15.421s + 0.510
    12. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 1m15.508s + 0.597
    13. Jenson Button McLaren 1m15.536s + 0.625
    14. Bruno Senna Williams 1m15.709s + 0.798
    15. Paul di Resta Force India 1m15.718s + 0.807
    16. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso 1m15.878s + 0.967
    17. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso 1m16.885s + 1.974

    18. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham 1m16.538s + 1.120
    19. Vitaly Petrov Caterham 1m17.404s + 1.986
    20. Timo Glock Marussia 1m17.947s + 2.529
    21. Pedro de la Rosa HRT 1m18.096s + 2.678
    22. Charles Pic Marussia 1m18.476s + 3.058
    23. Narain Karthikeyan HRT 1m19.310s + 3.892
    24. Sergio Perez Sauber no time
     
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    No problem
     
  8. Horse

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    Good result. :)
     
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    Not for Michael!
     
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    Nice to see Mark singing the national anthem.

    Looked like he even knew the words!
     
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    EPIC WIN FOR WEBBER :D

    What happened to Ricci?
     
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    Yep. :)

    Yep. :(

    Congrats to Webber. :)

    Yep. :)

    Whom? :eek:
     
  14. Aircon

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    In the heat of the battle, probably didn't realise MS was there. :(
     
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    So you don't think they crashed into each other on purpose? very insightful, pap.
     
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    What a buzz,Webber wins it a second time,Brabham only won it once in 1959 in a Cooper/Climax and AJ never won it.
     
  19. IanB

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    on a start grid, your peripheral vision is dialled up to 11 and you're glued to the mirrors - you know where everybody is.

    He overdid the move. It was his mistake.

    Great to see Webber get such a good start. Hopefully he's overcome that bogey.

    MS would had won if he'd kept the pole, paying the price for the bully-boy tactics that are hard wired into his nature.
     
  20. moretti

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    so, 5 spot penalty ??

    I have a feeling Mark is due for a few wins and a shot at the title.

    Mark's start won him the race but I'm a bit disappointed if he "was" holding the train up to allow Vettel onto the podium, he only improved his times when he saw Vettel's gap getting close to taking his win

    Just read the F1 section for the first time this season, ... what a pack of morons :p
     
  21. IanB

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    nope - too harsh.

    No penalty needed - I'm sure he learnt his lesson.

    btw anyone know what's happening with Kubica? Seems to have dropped off the radar.
     
  22. Aircon

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    He's not well.
     
  23. moretti

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    the starts are always a crap shoot, especially at Monaco where it's all about position, position, position.

    I thought Webber did a "Brabham" in my reckoning .... winning at the slowest pace

    One quick query to you Ian, with the nose and wings so far ahead and probably out of sight, how do you know how close you are to a guy at a turn like the Station hairpin ?

    From the high photo angle on TV it looks like there is a lot of opportunity for a touch up the arse
     
  24. moretti

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    I thought he was coming good but may still not ever return to F1 ?
     

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