Clean Lancia Scorpion on Ebay NS

This car does "look" nice , what you can see of it.

But there's not much in the ad about the mechanical condition and what's been done?

The appearance gets hyped but zip on the mechanicals so ...

With 60K miles and mechanically stock I'm thinking it will drive like a slug?

This is a lot of money no?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110887836248&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AWNA%3AUS%3A1123#ht_22980wt_1165

 

It's not a quick car compared to today. It uses the cast iron 1.8L Fiat 124 engine in a heavier car.

What it is is an interesting car. He's asking for top $$$ here. It looks like a survivor.

The trick to these are rust and electrics. The engines are bulletproof. The suspension is all Fiat (bushings, A arms, etc) and not expensive. It's the "unobtainium" interior and exterior parts that can mess you up, as well as RUST. But, this appear to be an AZ car and I would expect that to be at a minimum.

They are a bit of a pain to work on. You need a mechanic who is willing to take it on.

Finding a really good one is hard. 65K miles does not scare me at all if it's been well maintained.

 

Always like that car, a bit too slow as the Mayor mentioned. just think If they would have made the car 15% larger and put a Dino V6 in it ?

 

It's a first series. A second series with the 2lt engine and the servo-brake is better.
The rust isn't a problem on the Montecarlo (Scorpion in the USA) because Pininfarina painted them and not the factory.

 

You're joking, right?

 

always have been and remain a fan of these cars....know nothing about them really, but they have a unique style and score high marks for 'cool factor'

 

The 2L didn't come here but I've always liked the flying buttress glass version from the later years better.

This one has a very clean looking interior though I'm certain a lot of the red is new leather as it doesn't have the right stamped in pattern on the sides of the seats. The piece across the dash does though. Probably repainted that one? The greay plastic surround frame around the seats looks really good.

That's a lot money for these cars. Most have a ton of modifications and too many IMHO.

I'm going to have a look some at Monterey this year but as I remember I don't really fit in these and 36 years hasn't improved that ...

Big cool factor for me.

 

they did make a larger one with a fiat 130 based V6. its called a abarth 030. This car raced in anger in the giro d italia races against the likes of the stratos and the abarth x19 prototipo

apparently another stillborn prototype before the montecarlo based 037 had a twin turbo 288gto motor in it. im not sure if this car existed beyond the drawing board though ive seen a pic of a factory blueprint of it. if memory serves the project code name was 036. now that would be a car to behold. Anyone have any info of this fascinating hybrid?

cheers

hf

 

Jheez they F'd that up, did anyone tell Abarth about aerodynamics? The front end looks worse than a Peterbilt.
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Project 036 ?
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Bob:

A 77 Scorpion was my first car out of college. I loved that car. The 77 has the glass flying butress which I think is much better looking than the 76. I thought it was a great car with the only real drawbacks being that it really needs more power (much more), and at the time (pre internet) parts were very hard to source, which I imagine isn't as much of a problem now.

The ebay one you posted looks very original (unusually so), that alone makes it worth considering even if its not as good looking without the flying butress. Price is VERY high, but I think it's a reflection of the originality. It looks to be in excellent condition.

 

a worth while effort, but im positive that isnt the real deal...

all the best...


wasnt it enzo that said "areodyamics is for people who cant build engines" ?

 

Who'd want an original Scorpion? Bulky heavy bumpers, ugly US headlights, de-tuned engine,....

Here is my 77 Scorpion w/ Montecarlo bits the way its supposed to look.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/228708_168007649927096_8369670_n.jpg

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/249228_168007623260432_5512436_n.jpg

And another Scorpion I sold that was supercharged and was no slug.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/33547_111977912196737_170777_n.jpg

I owned 5 once.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/562086_332523010142225_156148430_n.jpg

 

I'm just not a fan of the uber modified look for these cars. Maybe the front and rear bumpers changed to european spec but that's about it for me. It might be nice to have a bump in HP though I don't think I'd want something that sounded like it was intended for the rally circuit.

There's a reason manufacturers use design houses like Pininfarnina.

 

Absolutely not. I can tell you that because my father was a Lancia manager in the '80s. The Montecarlo was assembled at the Pininfarina plant in Grugliasco (near Turin), the paint system was fine and Pf used the PPG paint. I'm talking about the second series, of course.

 

That's a shame because the second series is really a different car.
This is an italian first series (fixed head):
http://auto.trovit.it/index.php/cod.frame/url.http%253A%252F%252Fwww.tuttoannunci.org%252Ftorino%252FAuto-e-moto-Automobili-piu-di-5-001-Lancia-LANCIA-BETA-MONTECARLO-2-0-in-vendita-a-Torino-TO-Anno-1976-torino--tipdan-idi90-ida490816-idc153.aspx/id_ad.1oPD1J1ca1r1a/type./what.lancia%20beta%20montecarlo/pos.4/org.1/pop.1/publisher_id./referer_id.1/t.1

As you can see some details are different because the US homologation. The specimen on eBay has leather upholstery, originally it was vinilpelle (PVC). I think the car is totally refurbished.

This is a very nice website full of data: http://www.betamontecarlo.it/

 

This car comes from the Guy Moerenhout collection in Belgium. It's one of the two copies built and it joined to one race only in 1974. The Abarth SE030 was the base for an evolution: the Abarth SE037, better knows as Lancia Rally 037 (world rally champion).

 

I agree with you, the US specifications of the period were too restrictive (the Californian rules were even worse).
Now it's time to buy a fine 2.0 Montecarlo in Italy for less than 12.000 $ !!

 

No one is questioning the build quality at PF or the PPG paint. It is the cheap Russian (Soviet) sheet metal that is the problem.

 

Nice ride, but I wonder what price he's waiting for?

 

basically s1 and s2 are the same car. biggest difference are the brakes. other detail differences are small, wheels, grill, mirrors, seat material etc...

S1 brakes are widow makers... at least what ive found out on the track

 

You're talking about the '70s, i'm talking about the '80s, it's different.

 

Biggest differences are the engine, the brakes, the Weber, the electronic ignition and so on. Those "details" make the second series a different car, believe me, you have to drive one.

 

And then pay much more to develop them and support them with the World Rally Championship winning Lancia037 and FIA World Championship for Makes winning Montecarlo Gr5. Both stunning looking and performing cars made to market the bland and less potent streetcars to the public. Not many other cars can say they were so versitle at the top levels of multiple forms of motorsports.

 

so nearly identical weight , motor displacement, cam timing, carb size and power output and the car is vastly different? ive never driven a S2 so i will have to take your word for it.

many years ago i had a couple of S1 ones. took off the boosters, played around with different rear calipers to try to get the brake balance correct. 2.0L with the typical aquatti catalog stuff. guessing 130-145hp? wet weight 2135lb, g-tech a low 7sec to 60 car. fun car spoiled only by the brakes and slow steering ratio.

i worked in torino for awhile. never seen a montecarlo in the flesh there...lol