FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DU CANADA 2012: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

Actually it allows for a driver who is NOT faster in a SLOWER car to pass the one in front who is just a sitting duck. That is fake and it should not exist in racing.
Yes the races are more exciting, but less of a racing.

 

Good ideas yes PTP notsomuch

 

I'm with Enzo.

It's not a good race unless the Red cars finish FIRST!

 

How tough is that to understand?

 

Ugh, fell to 4th in constructor pts behind LotusKimi.

 

The cream will always rise to the top.

 

Factually true on all counts. I just didn't think Ferrari needed the gamble given they were 2.6 secs behind Lewis before his slow pit. Asking tires to last over 50 laps was VERY ambitious.

 

Well, when only one driver in the team can deliver points, what do you expect?

 

Not if you keep churning the results.
Then you end up with butter.

In any case if that were the truth why would you need an artifice like DRS?

 

If that were true, you would see the cars going back and forth passing one another.

That doesn't happen. DRS lets a faster car make a pass. It doesn't let slower cars artificially pass faster ones, especially not in combination with KERS.

 

You're right. And, also, if Ferrari did exactly the same thing Red Bull did, Alonso would have finished 2nd, right? So a strategy mistake, it would seem.

To blame it on tires and call it a lottery is just whining by the same folks who've been whining for as long as Ferrari haven't run away with it.

 

Unlike for instance the 2008 season the FIA is not churning with the results. Quite the opposite, they allow for the racing to take place on track.

Have all the complainers about DRS today already forgotten the title decision of 2010 where a super wide Petrov robbed Alonso of any chance of taking the fight to Vettel?

With DRS that wouldn't have happened and the FIA's response to that debacle was DRS.

The bottom line of DRS is:

If you are faster, you will pass the car in front of you. As it should be.

 

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I know that FOX filleted the race beyond recognition but that's not what happened.

 

While DRS is a gimmick, I disagree that it allows a slower car to pass a faster one. It was developed to solve the "dirty air" advanced aero conundrum that virtually eliminated passing a few years back. However, to actually pass a car, you still must be within 1 sec of the car in front of you, and a slower car won't be that close to a faster one.

 

I think this is accurate, but I'd rather see the driver work for it that be handed a position so easy (relatively). However, given a choice between KERS and the DRS, I'd rather them keep the DRS. KERS seems to be just a waste of time, money, and engineering effort IMO.


Mark

 

Sometimes racing, like the rest of life ain't fair.
The answer isn't reengineering reality.

 

KERS gives F1 the politically required green mantle and it might even give the car manufacturers a selling/engineering point when it comes to their street cars.

Technically it is a great idea to recoup that energy and release it when needed most.

 

What a choice.
By the way, have you stopped beating your wife?

 

I expect that they could have learned from Massa being passed by multiple cars as a harbinger of things to come for FA. They didnt and the loss of Constructors is probably more to FA being blown off the podium. Clearly a TEAM fault and not Massa's. End of story.

 

Yes it is.

If DRS let a slower car pass a faster one, then we would see the cars going back and forth switching positions based on DRS.

That doesn't happen. That proves Andreas is right - DRS lets a faster car pass a slower car. Without DRS, even a faster car doesn't always make it by because of the negative aero effect of being behind someone else. DRS solves that.

 

I'd keep DRS (better than everyone trying to cheat with F ducts or other aero gimmicks), get rid of KERS (useless) and let them race on the rubber they want instead of forcing them to race on tires they don't want.

To me, its the tire manipulation that makes the races really seem manufactured.

Isn't the point of the Formula to create and race a car as fast as possible?

 

I think everyone wants to see drivers working for it, but if you lose so much downforce being in dirty air that the laws of physics preclude you from making a pass, then there's nothing the driver can do.

I think Andreas hit the nail on the head - DRS and KERS work together and opposite one another to ensure that DRS isn't a P2P button. The faster cars still wind up ahead, but at least now they don't generally get held up for half the race behind a slow poke just because their car lost too much aero to make a pass.

 

There shouldn't be a DRS qualifier on this statement. If you're faster you will find a way to get around. DRS just gift wraps the position. Where is the excitement in that?

 

Being called right by SRTMike twice in a row? I'm blushing.

Your machined Ferrari emblem still looks fantastic on my wall btw.

Looking forward to the last race at Valencia. Time to say "Hasta la vista" to that container race.