FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DU CANADA 2012: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

Like every other innovation in F1 in recent years DRS is an attempt at improving the show without increasing costs. It's not about good racing nor about fairness. It's a makeshift bandaid to a self inflicted wound.

 

I think that's pretty much true. And, it may also explain why there are fewer cars not getting to the finish line -- it's less risky now to pass for those in positions 6 through 15.

 

in my humble opinion, this is not a "should be".

Racing has always had many elements at play ... being faster meant that you could catch up to the guy in front, but it would often require more skill (than just pure speed) to actually pass the guy in front. You had to pick the right position, try to outbrake going into a turn, etc. Just being faster, alone, did not mean the "ability" or the "right" to pass.

Yes ... DRS helps remove these "obstacles" of passing skill. If you're faster, now, you can more easily get by. Fans get to see more passes, because less driving skill is needed to pass. But we've lost something with this DRS contrivance, in my view.

 

Well, I disagree. There were all sorts of gimmicks going on to do essentially what DRS does now. Was the F duct any more fair? At least now its under the rules instead of above them.

 

The races in recent years pre DRS (pre 2011) prove you wrong: Time and again could the car behind not pass because of the dirty air or the driver in front driving a wide truck.

And besides: I much rather watch an "easy" pass thanks to DRS than "passing" while pitting. Which is how F1 races in the past decade were often decided.

 

Passing should be tough.

 

I think that innovative technology developed by a team is basically different than tech imposed by fiat. (NPI)

 

Bingo.

 

I don't really understand the strategic thoughts of the Ferrari-team.
It isn't the first time they make very serious mistakes.
Losing even the championship in 2010.
Strategy under Dominicali is a very weak point in the team.

Ferrari is strategical beaten by McLaren, Lotus, Sauber and Red Bull.
Four teams......
Isn't that clear enough that Ferrari did make a very, very big mistake?

Gambling????
Gambling you don't do in a serious match.
You have to calculate very well.
Four other teams did. Four!!!
Collecting points must be priority one.

A lap after Hamilton's pitstop, Alonso had to change to supersofts.
My two cents.

 

Like I said before, which is worse

Giving DRS to everyone on a specific part of the track or forcing a car to have less than ideal rubber during some part of the race? Or, screwing your qualifying and messing with your race tire strategy?

DRS just allows for clearly more faster cars to pass slower cars. You still have to catch the car in the first place.

Tire manipulation though is just sandbagging cars at specific times to make the races "more interesting" because they go up and down in the order. IMO, that's far worse.

 

This is why he's called the mayor. Spot on, Bob.


Mark

 

No, I haven't, but what does have to do with F1 racing?????


Mark

 

Why do you pose it as a legitimate either or?
Neither one is sporting.

If you want to make the argument that DRS etc. make for better TV and bigger audiences you might have a case.
But the logical conclusion of that sort of thinking is the farce we saw FOX produce today.
When you dumb down the sport there is a real cost..

 

My inept way of making a rhetorical argument to a trial lawyer.
No offense intended.

 

7th winner in 7 races, driver championship changing every weekend, some not so big team wins or score a podium is what they want the 99.9% of the viewer to get excited and keep watching

it's all gimmick but this is what f1 become, watch it or dont

 

Hahaha, no offense taken. I'm going to go smack the wife now.


Mark

 

I don't see what is gimmicky about that. I call this a very exciting season because the cars are fairly evenly matched. That's mostly down to stable rules (and not be confused with e.g. IRL or NASCAR racing where everybody drives the same chassis).

Who wants a one team dominates all season where the championship is decided after 2/3 of the season? Procession races with the winner running off into the distance anybody?

The cream will rise to the top and whoever wins this year's championship can really be saluted as he has had one tough fight and not a walk in the park (e.g. 2009, 2010, 2011).

 

Kick the dog once for me while you're at it.


Just joking PETA

 

If you believe that the cream will rise why does it need our help?

 

http://planetf1.com/driver/18227/7805625/Ferrari-Always-right-with-hindsight


Ferrari admit that in hindsight the decision not to pit Fernando Alonso in the latter stages of Sunday's Canadian GP was the wrong one.

Fighting with Lewis Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel for the victory in Montreal, Ferrari opted not to pit Alonso, instead hoping his second set of tyres - tjhe softs - could carry him through to the chequered flag.

McLaren, though, did pit Hamilton, dropping him over 14 seconds behind Alonso. With Hamilton fast approaching Red Bull called Vettel in, a move that initially raised eyebrows.

But as Hamilton came storming by Alonso and Romain Grosjean and Sergio Perez, a very late one-stopper, Alonso fall off the podium. He was also overtaken by Vettel, finishing P5.

"With hindsight you're always right but today a podium would have not been possible," Ferrari said on Twitter.

"If ALO had pitted when VET did, maybe we would finish P4.

"Tyre degradation was the key today. It is the area where we have to look very carefully."

 

its either how a person wana view the races in my opinion

we have fchatters complaining how manufactured the races are and its true the racing is manufactured to cater general viewer to make f1 exciting

not everyone convince by such racing, like it or not this is the modern f1 is now

 

You could also say... They have had more than enough

 

To all those who think the F1 season is a complete lottery and will yield an unfair championship result, please explain why the drivers standings are 1 Hamilton 2 Alonso 3 Vettel 4 Webber? Doesn't look like a randomly unpredictable list to me. So far as I can tell, it's a pretty accurate reflection of true form...

 

Very good point.

Although I still think it is flattering to the Ferrari. El Magico is just doing an insane job.

 

I could come up with a half dozen possible standings with equal "validity".
You'd predict that Jensen wouldn't be in the hunt?