How to get a 458...

Wow I feel sorry for you. Ask most first time purchasers if they feel like you do. You've forgotten what it was like on Christmas morning to open a present. You don't give a shoot what you own. You use them and churn them like they were yesterday's garbage. Most I think here do not feel that way.

You need to watch this:


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I think this is the crux of the issue in NA. Nobody really provides a product like them, and for a 2nd (or in my case 3rd) car, you want something exciting and beautiful. Porsche is sort of bland (and I hate the styling on 911), hate the styling on Lamborghini (too boxy, though I hope the Gallardo replacement wows me), McLaren is going in the right direction though. I think the 12C successor will hit the nail on the head.

There needs to be a healthy dose of competition in the arena so that market forces go into play. Right now Ferrari has the monopoly on exciting cars.

 

Reread it. My pleasure comes from owning them; learning the car and using it. I just dont find the ordering process that interesting.

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I did read it. You just churn them out and trade them back in. You really don't care anymore what you own.

There's nothing wrong with that. But, don't put your values on the rest of the world. To most people, getting one is special. To you, buying a Ferrari is just like buying a loaf of bread. When it gets stale, you toss it out and buy some more.

For that, I feel sorry for you.

You're like the kid who ate so much ice cream one day, he got sick from it and can never enjoy it again. Isn't that sad?

 

You're entitled to your opinion (wrong or right). Did you consider it wasn't that straight up that i just replaced car after car?

Most of the time I've had more than one at the time. I usually kept them 2-3 years except in special cases (one writeoff, one I hated after it had an engine change, and one 430 Ferrari took back after chassis issues).

Otoh I think you're idolizing Ferrari somewhat. Its still only a car, and I think the pedestal some people put Ferrari on is a tad silly.

Anyway, we're way off topic. But the point is there are other points of views/situation than just your own (or mine).

And ON point I still think Ferrari could change the situation a bit in the US to match the rest of the world without losing its "status symbol" position. Its not quite that black and white - there are middle grounds (such as allowing people to buy fron whichever dealer thet like).

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That is how I was able to get an order placed in 30 days....

I have one home in Minnesota where there are NO Ferrari dealers. I was able to immediately place order at a Detroit Ferrari dealership in April and now am up for July/Aug production on a 2013 model. $20k deposit in April and now I am about to get my car built.

I will have to take delivery in Detroit, but will put it on a truck for shipment to my house same day.

Hell, I would get a PO box or business address in another state just to avoid the 6-12 month wait in other states.

 

Better show up with a drivers license. PO box alone won't cut it. if a dealer cheats the system, they get their prescious allocation cut.

Each dealer has there own allocation. Your situation has little to do with what goes on in other territories.

 

Because US customers allow the dealers to get away with such behavior.

 

Allow... a funny word.

So, let's say you built a really terrific product and it was in short supply. Everyone wanted to get one as fast as possible.

What would you do?

Charge more for it?

Make sure your existing good customers got them first?

Try to spread out your production as long as possible to recoup your investment?

Should your customers "allow" you to do this?


The only thing Ferrari is doing wrong is building a highly limited yet high demand product to a large enthusiastic market.

Shame on them. They should build something nobody wants. Then, prices will be lower and waiting lists non-existent.

 

Well said. A fairly basic principle. People want what they cant have.
Demand is a good thing.

 

To the Op,

I walked into the same dealership last Saturday. I got the same story. I have heard the same story from them in the past. It is very hard to justify spending $20K over MSRP for a used car when you could buy a similar specced car somewhere else for below MSRP.

P.S. I ended up buying a 12C 4 months ago from Park Place so obviously I am not a die hard Tifosi.

Ritesh.

 

How do you like the 12C? The guys at Park Place are good people.

 

There's nothing wrong in buying a 12 c if that is the car you really want.

There's something wrong in buying a 12 c because you just don't like the 458's market value.

What you have here is another classic Fchat "talk out of both sides of their mouths".

"I want good trade-in value! We don't like depreciation!"

but....

"We want to buy used cars cheaper than MSRP!"


That 20K above MSRP car was someone else's good trade value.

 

It continues to amaze me how and why potential ferrari customers allow themselves to be treated in such a poor fashion! Oh wait, i know why! because there are so many ignorant potential ferrari customers banging on the dealers door to throw money at them!
I had never owned a ferrari untill i walked into my local dealer and ordered one, no problem, no pre existing ownership,no buy this first in order to buy that b.s. Just built it on the config. and in four months had my car.
The problem is people allow themselves to be treated as if ferrari is doing you a favor, as long as the consumer allows this,ferrari will capitalize on them. dont be an ignorant consumer. its all smoke and mirrors and unfortunately too many people dont care how they are treated and fall into the " it soooo exclusive, so this must be how it is"

 

i admire these cars as much as anyone else and owning one is only a distant dream. but honestly this just seems ****1ng insane. i honestly dont see the point in spending over 300000 just to get on a list that would entitle me to spend another huge sum of money a little while down the road. it seems to me that many of these cars might not be arriving until 2014 just when i expect ferrari will be beginning to unveil the replacement for the 458 and getting them on the roads for 2015 or so. i would be completely fine buying a used one once they came onto the market, i bet that wont be very long from now. if i bought a used one, the fact that i didnt choose every single detail on its specs wouldnt bother me at all. why would i give a damn about the stitching or the interior color when its meant to be driven and enjoyed? if i ever own one i could care less about minor details and i would just enjoy the car for what it is, a functional piece of engineering rather than something for b1tchy rich person to piss and moan about stupid minute details that add virtually nothing to the car.

i agree that the most faithful should have first dibs (enzo or f40-50 buyers) but after that to hell with a waiting list, first come first serve just like everybody else in the 99% has to accept as a normal part of life

 

It should be reiterated that the situation described by the OP is NOT necessarily the normal protocol. Every dealer is different. My dealer is very polite, gracious and treats customers like gold. Secondly they don't sell their cars for over MSRP. It's pretty simple, if you like a car you buy it. They will treat you like a special customer. Some cars may be under MSRP, for cars that have a waiting list like the 458 Spider, you will pay MSRP. What's wrong with that arrangement? Nothing.

Again, many dealers do not have any of the OP dealers requirements. Perhaps he is in an area where there is very high demand in which case the dealer is sold out regardless so they can command premium. True in some ways its unfortuante that you must use your local dealer, but on the other hand it prevents dealers from whoring each other in price wars and keeps healthy dealers.

I do not see a problem with the system as there is no problem in my area. I didn't want readers to believe that what was in the OP's post was "what you had to do to buy a Ferrari." It's not. It's only his particular situation.

 

Have you ever purchased a used Ferrari of then current model at $20K or more over MSRP? Thanks.

 

Have I? No. I've only purchased 3 news ones at MSRP. But, I waited 3 years for the first, and 9 months for each of the next 2.

 

Umm.... no. If that were the case I know 6 people in LA who would have a spider already or on order. Believe me, they are no ignorant fools as you describe.

Seriously... just who do you think you're talking to here? A bunch of dumb idiots? You don't think they have tired?

Each territory is different. What happens in one can be completely opposite in another.

It's just business. Try to remember that. And... try not to insult most of the people reading your posts.

 

Ferrari produce more every single year and have stated themselves that they will continue to increase production.

They are exclusive, but not to the point where you should need to suffer the FNA sales model. And guess what, the far majority of new Ferrari buyers don't.

I was saying it was easier to buy a Ferrari in Europe. That has nothing whatsoever to do with criticising your country! Some of you found my comment a reason to start discussing American vs European living standards. I would never have the crude manners to start dissing your country to make my point, why do some of you feel the need to do that?


Onno

 

This is a great thought unless you want a new Ferrari. It is great that you can just walk in and purchase a new one where you are located however in 90%+ of the area, you just can not do that. You either play the game or don't get a car. Just need to decide what you want to do.

 

So ture! Great reply!

 

Good for you. The waits for a build slot in my area are a killer.

 

LOL - The Obama "credo" .... build something nobody wants. Then, prices will be lower and waiting lists non-existent. He modified it slightly, investing in what no one wants and then charging them more - Best

 

We all have our stories. With two homes, Vegas and San Diego, I should be limited to two dealers, however, because the San Diego and Newport Dealers are under the same ownership, I bought my second Ferrari from Newport. Interestingly, my 458 was not even my idea. I received a surprise call from San Diego asking if I wanted a car. I said sure, this was December, spec'd options in January and was driving in March - go figure. Best