330 p4 for sale #0858

350 Can Am has shortened frame and the Ferrari "All Motors" factory issued books lists different motors for the P4 and 350 Can Am. It doesd not seem to me that these differences are not fixable since 858 was an original P4 modified by Ferrari into 350 Can Am.

a big enough check can work wonders

My humble opinion only

 

Ferrari has very clearly stated that 0858 is a 350 Can Am.

Putting a replica P4 Body on a 350 Can Am does not magically
turn a 350 Can Am into a P4.

As for this particular replica body I agree with Macca.

 

For this reason I dont understand the need to make it a P4 again, leave it as a Can Am and one still has an important piece of Ferrari history.

Its not like the Ferrari community is going to forget that this car is in facta 350 Can Am....

 

Very true.

 

This P4 was converted by the factory into a CanAm car 45 years ago and was perfect in this state. It's just destroying original history, maybe to make more money? A big mistake and really stupid.

 

Good post which raises some questions...

 

+1

At one time, the factory saw to it that 0858 ceased to be a P4 and became a 350 Canam in which configuration it was still very succesful. No point in changing the car back.

It would be like Jim changing 0846 back to a P3.

 

Exactly.

 

I'm wondering if you bring the car back to P4 specifications if you get a Ferrari Classiche Certification.
I hope the CanAm parts will be safed and that an other future owner bring it back to the CanAm version.


Gr.
Xander

 

If that is truly the motivation for doing away w/ the CanAm body, then the Classiche tail is officially wagging the dog. I was recently informed that you do not even get copies of the Assembly Data Sheets for all the money paid for Classiche "certification".

 

In this case Ferrari very clearly stated that they would not Classiche 0858 as a P4 but only as a 350 Can Am which it is.

If a replica P4 body were fitted Ferrari very clearly stated that it would become "A Ferrari of Historical Importance".

 

then I guess I'm really confused as to the motivation. I guess we're back to "just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD. . . ."

 

Wise words.

 

I am as well. You can't change a 350 Can Am motor into a P4 motor and cutting and converting a 350 Can Am chassis into a P4 Chassis not to mention changing the many original 350 Can Am details seems a sad thing to do IMHO.

 

I don't understand why you would rebody this special car if you don't get that certificate. I always understand that a car with this certificate is more worth than a car without.

I hope the owner read this: Please leave the car as it was, CanAm in this case.

 

0854 was racing with #9 at BOAC International 500 at Brands Hatch as far as I know...
0856 was racing with #7 and 0860 with #6. 0858 was racing #8.

 

Maybe I am missing something, but this car has shown as a "pending sale" for some time.

Now it is listed for sale as POA.....

Did the original sale fall through or is it being sold on speculation that it will become what it once was, regardless of Ferrari's position on the car?

 

Last known bij me is that chassis 0858 failed to sell in 2010 at a high bid of $ 10.000.000 at the RM’s Ferrari Leggenda e Passione Auction.

 

Where it was also misrepresented as a 330P4.

http://www.rmauctions.com/PressRelease.cfm?PressID=658

 

The RM-auction at least attaches a value to the car, even if mis-represented as a P4, the auction result was what the market was willing to cough up for a Can Am. In my book not an insignificant amount of cash.

Now that car is being re-bodied, with something that is said to be an exact copy of a true P4. Does that body fit the Can Am dimensionally?

Interesting way forward though, even if it does fit, as we had an original Can Am, in need of work but all there, and we'll end up with something that won't even be sanctioned by Ferrari, as they didn't build the car that way. A replica at best. Logic escapes me here, is there a point?

 

0854's race number was 9.

0858's Spyder tail (Clearly Stamped on inside 0858) was fit to 0854 when I bought it but 0854 also came with 0854 original coupe tail as an extra part. Originally I restored 0846 incorrectly as a coupe. When I bought 0854 I re restored 0846 to a spyder using 0858's original spyder tail which we took off of 0854 as bought and am just about done restoring 0854 with her original coupe tail. You are right about the race numbers at Brands Hatch. The tail now on 0846 in addition to having 0858 stamps also has accident damage repair which I believe came from when 0858 lost it's tail at that race.

Even though the bidding at RM continued past my 5MM euro (about 7.5MM USD at the time) as I was the one being pressured by RM at the end to bid I'm not sure that there were any real bids beyond mine. There may have been but IMO there weren't. Considering the condition of the car which IMO needed a massive restoration and the fact that it is a 350 Can Am I feel my bid was correct and today I still see it at that price. If fitted with a replica body and a partialy re done chassis IMO it is worth less and of no interest to me.

 

'Copy' being the keyword. In my view the only true appeal of an old -and thus obsolete racingcar-, is it's historical relevance. That does not really relate to removing the period correct body and replacing it with something that is built in 2012. I also notice they keep referring to the car as being a P4. It ceased to be a P4 once it was converted to 350 Canam specs. After finishing this 'restoration' the car will be a 350 Canam with a replica P4 body. How that can be more interesting than an original 350 Canam, is wayyyy beyond me.

 

And replica chassis modifactions. It's A Lot different having an
totally original 350 chassis than an original 350 chassis with replica
P4 bits added in 2012.

They are clearly destroying original Ferrari History.

 

C'mon Jim, save her!

 

I tried but they didn't take my bid and I've moved on to other adventures.