Miura, the original supercar

Lot of history....

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You're comment is so hypocritical it's not even worth arguing about. Oh, and by the way, although I'm sure you'd much more like it if you could get rid of all who questioned certain posts, fortunately you don't control access or content on the forum. I'm not going anywhere, but I am done with this particular discussion.

 

Get over yourself Joe. You know what my issue you publishing that was and you know it had nothing to do with removing "valuable resources from the forum". On the contrary, I'm happy to share them with anyone that asks, including you.

 

As a dedicated Miura fan I treasure this thread and want to thank all the contributors. This thread is one of my most visited places on the internet.

I have grown curious about something and have searched the thread as well as my copy of Mr. Sackey's Miura Bible but I am not finding the answer for which I am looking.

With the very early P400s - mostly made before June 1967 w/ serial #s <3000 - there is diversity among the colors. Among these early cars there is not just a lot of Rossos but there is Grigio Argento, Argento Indianapolis, Giallo, Giallo Verde, Verde, Bianco, Bleu as well as some acrilico variations (Bleu, Rosso, and Rosso Miura).

Once we get to the June '67 cars there is a disproportionate number of Rossos with some Verdes, Bleus, Biancos, and Giallos dotting the production but the Grigio Argento and the Argento Indianapolis disappear. Of the P400s made in 1967 it looks like over 40 were Rosso. Did all those early Miura owners just really want Rosso/Nero? : )

I have looked at the P400 brochure and there is no mention of color options or interior upholstery considerations. A scan of the registry from my copy of the bible indicates that Grigio Argento didn't reappear until 1968 on car# 3267.

I love the looks of the grey and silver Miuras - were those not available on those early 1967 cars?

I guess the general question is what drove those early colors? Were the factory options limited? What paint colors were available?

Thanks in advance!

 

The Miura, a very early example, that was allegedly gifted to Don Eduardo Miura was silver or grey.

 

Thanks Joe!

I guess if you don't know... we'll never know! : )

I love the look of 5076 with the gray over silver sills / tobacco but that was way down the line and originally Fly Yellow.

 

"Father" knows best? : )

 

"Google" tells me that the car allegedly gifted to Don Eduardo was the 4th Miura ever built (0961) which would have made it Argento Indianapolis / nero.

This car among those constructed prior to June 1967 - the few, the colorful... the VERY early P400s. : )

 

What sources?

 

Source for what specifically? The claim that Don Eduardo Miura was gifted the fourth Miura produced?

You can likely find the same claim any number of places on the internet using a variety of search terms. I don't recall the exact site I gleaned the information from a few hours ago but I did another search just now and found the same information quickly enough on the following link:

http://www.car-addicts.com/special-report/bulls-inspired-lamborghini-names

If you don't want to click thru, the relevant snippet goes as follows:

"The idea to baptize his future creations on four wheels with names of famous bulls came to Feruccio in 1962, after a visit to the Miura stables, near Seville, owned by Don Eduardo Miura Fernandez. Brute force and agility of specimens held by the Don Eduardo has been a source of inspiration for Feruccio.

In 1966 is born the first car signed by Lamborghini with the name of a Toro. Could not be other than Miura a tribute to the man who gave birth out of passion to a very special bull breed. The fourth Lamborghini Miura copy created was offered by Feruccio as a gift to Don Eduardo, right at his farm bull, as a token of gratitude."

I make no claim of first hand knowledge nor am I saying I know this to be true.. just providing a link that alleges the same that was allegedly alleged in an earlier post. : )

As for the source for the 4th Miura created... that comes from the registry on a well known source...

 

Calling "x10shl"...

Yes, I've read and re-read this thread too many times (perhaps) over the years.

 

I wish I was "there" and had more answers. Alas, I was born in 1970. Just about the only thing I can say with certainty is that everyone Ive met appears to have a different version of the same story.

Side note regarding paint- there no real way to translate prefectly old paint codes to new formulas, but a few high-volume restorers buy gallons at a time, so that all the cars they paint the same color end up looking as identical as possible. This is an important tip to those young, promising Pebble Beach restorers out there- when two of your "Gallo" Ferrari 275s are parked next to each other on the lawn, you will want them to look the same, even if it may not be exactly correct.

 

I can tell you what I have investigated, or the people I have talked to. I don't consider myself a Lamborghini historian, but I always try to find out the truth, reading old magazines, interviewing people, checking official documents, etc. And this is "my truth":

Lamborghini Miura 0961 was imported by ODIN (first Lamborghini importer in Spain) and displayed at the 1967 Barcelona Motor Show. This car had a adventurous life here, travelling from city to city, from one owner to a new one: Madrid, Málaga or Zaragoza were some of the cities where the car spent its time. It was slightly crashed - run into a bus - and took part in the first classic car meetings In the eighties the car was brought to Italy, where it is now. The official documents, which remain with the car, show no ownership of Eduardo Miura.

Now, the "famous" visit... In the late 1968 Ferruccio Lamborghini and some italian journalists visited Eduardo Miura at his ranch, called Zaheriche. Alfonso Amato, second Lamborghini importer, was there too. Amato was an italian who came to Spain with the troops which Italy sent for the spanish civil war. After the war he stayed here and had a Lambretta dealership in Vitoria. Later he moved to Madrid and opened "Auto Salon Amato", where he sold luxury cars. As the visit to Miura was covered by an italian motor magazine, and photographs for an article were to be taken, two Lamborghini cars were there too. An Islero, onwned by a businessman from the north, and a Miura, owned by a jeweller from Madrid. The two sons of Eduardo Miura, in his twenties, were also in the meeting. Do you know what car was driving Eduardo Miura when he showed up? A humble Citröen 2CV... I guess that if Eduardo Miura had a Lamborghini, or was about to be gifted with one, why not a photograph of that car in the article? I can't imagine a better press action.
I talked months ago to Eduardo Miura jr, not once, but several times, about the visit. His response was clear: "mi padre no tuvo ninguno ni le ofrecieron" (= my father had none or was offered). He lived with his father in the ranch, and was aware of what happened there.
I also talked to Amato's daughter, and confirmed me the name of the jeweller, the same name which Eduardo Miura jr told me, and they don't know each other. I also talked to Heiderich when he was alive, not only about Lamborghini, but also about others cars he imported: Lotus, Porsche, etc No mention to a car gifted to Eduardo Miura.

As I told you this is "my truth". You can believe it or not, we are in a (almost) free world.

 

Doh, mea culpa!

I discovered the errors of my ways by re-reading (yet again) posts from back in 2008. The source of my "misremembrance" is back around post # 5590.

"As xs10shl knows, he has a lot of sentimental memorabilia stored away at his shop and I think one of us will have to go over there and help him go through his stuff. He also says he has a 'testing log' of all the Miuras he took out and tested when new... trouble is he cant find anything!"

I recalled incorrectly that Mr. Sackey was referring to "x10shl" when in fact he was referring to Claudio Zampolli.

Drats, foiled again...

 

Sounds good to me. It was my not my intention to establish a truth...

Perhaps it is just that this car will be linked to Eduardo because of the iconic photographs taken at the time.