Canon ups mirrorless ante

how did they up the ante???

 

Olympus has 16mp to clarify your list.

but to your point 18mp vs. the others in this arena really means very little so I think your upping the ante is more misnomer than anything.

it's sort of an unremarkable camera to get them into the mirrorless marketspace where they have to walk a fine line of being in the space and not cannibilizing their dslr sales at similar pricepoints.

 

sorry it didn't come across as I intended,

I was just clarifying a point on the list you made in fairness to all of them while wondering why you drop these kinds of comments periodically and I was just asking what about the canon you think warrants it being noted as "upping the ante" in the mirrorless marketspace.

that's wording I should have posted...

 

What's the point of mirrorless?

 

Compact body. The lens mount can be much closer to the sensor since there is not a mirror that has to swing out of the way. The new lenses for it have a focus plane much closer to the mount plane. Note that they sell an adapter to allow you to mount your ef and ef-s lenses on the body. The adapter is simply full of air, but holds the lenses further away at the proper distance for them to focus on the sensor.

 

you also get rid of the OVF as well(in most cases, exception = fuji has a hybrid ovf/evf).

it's the early iterations of what seems to be slr based digital photography shedding some of its carryover technology.

the tech being developed will migrate across all the platforms.

other mirrorless platforms allow the use of just about all MF lenses with the correct straight through adapter and the platforms with IBIS even make those vintage lenses stabilized.

It seems a good argument can be made that mirrorless is going to be the direction of photography's new generations of cameras at all price points. Time will tell whether the OVF goes away completely supplanted by the increasingly capable EVF.

 

If it's mirrorless, it's not an SLR.

 

I have mixed feelings.

As I posted on a friend's facebook:

I guess it's nice that (with an adapter) you can use EF and EF-S lenses. Would be funny to see one attached to a tele prime.

I'm not a fan of electric viewfinders, though. Not really sure I get the point of the smaller form factor. Once you add glass it won't fit in your pocket, and if on a strap why not just bring an SLR?

Could be nice underwater.

I think it's too little too late. If I were in the market for a canon camera camera that size, I'd take the G1X. If I were in the market for micro 4/3, I'd take the Fuji X-Pro 1.

 

being out with 2-5 lbs of camera kit vs. 10-20lbs of dslr kit with little IQ sacrifice or ability goes a long way towards making these very good options vs. a dslr. Add the ability to use more MF glass than asp-c or FF can and there is another benefit.

FYI - fuji is aspc not micro fourthirds...

Panny and Oly are the only cameras on the market in micro fourthirds.

nilkon is smaller than m4/3rds at a 2.7 crop

the rest I believe are asp-c, fuji, canon, samsung, sony.

 

I agree.

 

Well glass is what weighs you down. The smaller body isn't going to save 8-15 lbs. And with a full size sensor, you need full size glass (albeit not for a 35mm image circle), right?

Gotcha. Well then I'd take that one over the G1X also

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These are the reasons why I wont ever be in the market for one... Since I own some nice glass, I'll be damned if I don't use it; and with any of my glass, the camera will not fit in my pocket.

I do like the idea of easier under-water photography though...

 

I would love this, but I don't get it for the same reasons as has already been said. I think it could be great for travel as I hate to actually have to carry anything, but I want good image quality. Looking at lens options it seems that putting it in your pocket isn't really an option, so why would I rather carry this and a 18-55 than my 5d2 and 24-105? The 5d2 and 24-105mm is still only 2.2lbs.

 

That's the point, smaller body/glass/system and you get significant weight savings while giving away arguably not much to dslr cameras anymore. There are any number of people that have sold their dslr setups(yes even ff) to go full mirrorless to get rid of the heft once they realized the sacrifice in IQ was largely inconsequential. There are pro's using mirrorless and making money with them for less investment yet still having happy client's. FF is part of the market, the stigma of anything less than FF is what's being shed as well as the weight/size with the new cameras. For the any shooter these are more than capable options, more so the others that are more mature as opposed to this recent entrant.

I'm pondering selling my kit and going OM-D as it's really hitting on all cylinders right now its new sony sensor/performance, ever expanding lens lineup, third party support, IBIS, 9fps, etc., etc..

the FYI wasn't meant to be snippy, just informative... that gets lost sometimes.

there are others from the other manufacturers that are a bit more pocketable, we're talking jackets, cargo shorts, that kind of pocketable.

 

Until I can get APSC with a wide angle that fits in my pocket I'm not a buyer, and it's only a matter of time until something like I want is released.

 

Right, but are equivalent lenses (same focal length and max aperture) going to save weight relative to EF-S given that they still need to cover an APS-C footprint?

m4/3 has a much smaller sensor, so the glass weight is scaled down.

I see them weighing than EF lenses for sure, but not substantially less than EF-S unless other concessions are being made (likely aperture).

No worries; wasn't taken that way.

 

Interesting. This isn't apples to apples since the EF-M is using a stepper motor, but the M-mount lens weighs slightly more in this case. But it's ballpark the same weight, as I expected given equivalent optics and coverage.

http://www.dpreview.com/products/canon/lenses/canon_m_18-55_3p5-5p6
Focal length 18 – 55 mm
Maximum aperture F3.5 - F5.6
Weight 210 g (0.46 lb)



http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Lens-Specifications.aspx?Lens=455
Focal Length Range 18-55mm
Aperture Range - Wide / Long f/3.5-22 / f/5.6-32
Manufacturer Specification Weight 7.1 oz (0.44 lb)

 

ahhh, you've found the thorn in the side... all you need to do is look at the sony setup, tiny body/larger lenses.

m4/3 is shaping up for the sweet spot which what it's intent was from the get go. add the fact that Oly is now shopping sony for sensor production and the popular forum rift between aspc & m43rds is all but gone.

this canon model seems more of a "we need to get something, anything out to the mirrorless market" as opposed to a real effort to make any inroads into mirrorless because when compared to the other players it leaves one scratching the head and only makes any kind of sense if you have a bag of crop glass. there's no good reason otherwise to buy this unless that's the case and even a bag of crop glass defeats the purpose of a mirrorless camera in this case.

 

Haha... A bag of crop glass and the desire to strap on an adapter to use it (and give up the optical VF to boot)



I think with time maybe they'll eek better frame rate and shorter "shutter" times of these since they don't have the mirror nor shutter mechanism (which will also increase the durability I suppose).

Personally, I've not yet met an electronic viewfinder I liked. Until they improve that, i'm not in the market. I use mine when I have to (video or manual focus on distant objects). Other than that I can't stand the lag.

 

The EVF isn't going to be going anywhere anytime soon, I fully suspect the next FF sony is going to be EVF.

and the EVF makes a lot more sense than OVF at the entry level cameras as the OVF's were typically small/dark anyway, EVF fixes that. there are some really good ones out there now, it's only time...