BBC: Formula 1's Greatest Drivers of All Time (Top 20)

You should try being a Phil fan then!

Seriously, even I have to say I think you did over react a little on this one though - I certainly read it as tongue in cheek.

Cheers,
Ian

 

No doubt, or MS fan, I have just about had enough, a new thread and within a couple of posts, we are off again, that's my point, joking or not, makes no odds.

Anyway best to leave em to it, sorry for spoiling the party.

 

Depends who else is on the list and where.

Hamilton below Mansell? That's a joke. Rindt on the list? That's pure nostalgia - which is why Senna will be 1 or 2 (with Fangio) and Schumi will be #3, I bet.

 

Stop calling me Surely!

 

Certainly debatable, but far from a joke. Mansell is too high on this list, though.

 

Especially reading what Ian has to say about him. I doubt he has a personal vendetta against him so I take it by heart!

I think the top 3 will (should) be between Jimmy, Senna, Michael and Fangio. It's like getting into Q3. Which big name won't make it through

 

Jackie Stewart, will he be in the top 5?

 

Dunno if there's a lot of room for debate that Mansell is above Hamilton on a best drivers ever list

We're talking Nige here...

But at the end of the day, it's just one observer's view... people who like the list will champion it as fact, those who don't will say it's bunk.

The only thing we do know is that in equal cars, Hamilton beat Alonso

 

I think these list should only be for those who have retired, it just makes more sense

 

These lists are far too subjective to be taken seriously. That said, my top six would be clark fangio lauda prost schumacher senna. I have them in alphabetical order-some may raise an eyebrow at Niki but he missed a 4th championship by a point after almost being killed and missing races in '76. He also didn't have to make any shady moves like MS and AS did.

 

These 'top 10/20 of all time' lists are ridiculously easy to compile. Take some statistics, mix in a few memorable races, add a touch of personal preference and voila, list made.

Not very complex and a far cry from the countless hours of tedious research to complete my own definitive and far more interesting work; 'Top 10 drivers who never scored a point'.

Almost impervious to criticism, I'm sure many of you already know the top 3.....

 

Kimi will be number 1, after that it's a tough call.

 

+1 Seems this particular one is made up from many "votes" by the BBC team, so the inevitable "Brit bias" is evident......

Dayum Is, I'm struggling to *name* 10 pointless (!) drivers...... Over the years, even in the days of only the top 6 scoring, most (?) of 'em managed to eek out a point or two. Please share the "Definitive Isobel most pointless driver list!"

Cheers,
Ian

 

That is a joke, right?

In the words of John Mcenroe, "you can't be serious!"

I reckon Bas nailed it; Perm any 3 from 4 of Jimmy, Ayrton, Michael & Fangio. Wouldn't be surprised to see JYS round out the top 5.

Silly list, but keeps us off the streets.

Cheers,
Ian
PS - Bas, no personal vendetta whatsoever - just my opinion and nice to know *someone* reads (some of ) my nausea!

 

I nominate Gregor Foitek and Joachim Winkelhock (remember his "pole position" at the German GP?)

And of course BADoer.

 

In no particular order, the top ten MUST BE (!):
Fangio, Moss, Clark, Stewart, Prost, Senna, Schumacher, Lauda, and 2 current chaps ... my guess being Fernando and Seb.
This top ten is absoultely above dispute!!!!!!!!!!!!
(OK; everyone laugh now!)

 

Fernando is #10 so you are at least 10% accurate.

 

Ok, here is my list of pointless heroes..

1.David Brabham
2.Scott Speed
3.Mimmo Schiattarella
4.Tarso Marques
5.Hideki Noda
6.Ralph Firman
7.Jan Lammers
8.Max Papis
9.Taki Inoue
10.Gastón Mazzacane

Sorry, Badoer just missed the cut.

 

Tempting to use this as a sig. Can't imagine it'll be well received.

 

Well, that might be partially because it doesn't really convince: Both ended up with equal amount of points and victories that season.

So by "beat" you mean Hamilton scored on 2nd place more than Alonso. If that floats your boat, well then go ahead make it a tag line.

 

Now.
The list is all time and time will tell.

 

I like it.

 

Question to Hamilton fans: How are things in 2007?


Here in 2012 they're alright...

 

Number 11 - Alberto Ascari
Number 12 - Gilles Villeneuve
Number 13 - Nigel Mansell
Number 14 - Mika Hakkinen
Number 15 - Lewis Hamilton
Number 16 - Nelson Piquet
Number 17 - Emerson Fittipaldi
Number 18 - Jack Brabham
Number 19 – Graham Hill
Number 20 – Jochen Rindt

I'd put Fittipaldi over Piquet and Hak.
Thats just me.

 

Speed seems to be everyones favorite whipping boy.
He was as good as any at Toro Rosso except for that Vettel chap. Which means he deserved to be in F1 and IMO did well all things considered.