THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

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Lauda owned a BMW?

Where is it now?

 

Very Nice!

 

A few shots further than the one Napolis posted, you see some extra air intakes at the start of the engine bay. I haven't seen those before. Furthermore we spotted another proto which looks very much like a 458 but isn't.
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Before the Enzo came out several "reputable" sources (Autocar, Road and Track, car and driver) threw out wild claims about weight and performance, most of which were wrong. Speculation is part of automotive journalism. Though there is an interesting reason why there may be confusion about the weight: There will be two different weights. Now if you're curious about that, I dropped some hints earlier in this thread as to why there will be two different weights.

 

Two options?

1. V12 no KERS.
2. V12 and KERS.

Twin turbo V12 option?

 

Spider vs. Berlinetta?

-F

 

Its more interesting than KERS/no KERS, and the engine is most certainly NA, no turbos sorry.

 

Lets try to keep it real.

Lusso and Corsa.

Both will be V12 with KERS.

Neither will weigh less than Ferrari P 4/5 by Pininfarina. (2650lbs)

The new hyper McLaren will likely weigh less and the VAX of either will be no where near the Veyron's.

Both will be very cool and innovative and will look interesting.

 

The media are getting so over the top just found this


"The F70 will use the HY-KERS system coupled to a V12 engine producing up to 1,000hp. Other features include a rear engine cover similar to the P4/5 Competizione, a distinctive rear diffuser and a set of quad exhausts. Information also suggests that the power will drive all four wheels."

Next it will have a cold fusion reactor or sumthing.....

 

Front grill might be a wide oval shape as opposed to the twin nostril look of the 360 458 italia.
and I doubt will use the twin front spoilers like the 458 but might use large hood vents to create downforce like the Enzo and F 50

And the front of the car appears far less angular than the Enzo

The exhaust appears to be dual horizontal on both sides rather than central or vertical pipe arrangement.

The taillights might be single instead of double and located at the very ends of the bodywork.

Just some guessing

 

Hmm. Maybe a luxury and very lightweight sport?

 

This car will be very light with only 3.8-liter V8 engine

 

Yep. As Jim said, "Lusso" and "Corsa" might be my guess as well. Such were Ferrari's roots with MM and SC coachwork variously used or switched over the first 159/166 chassis.

In looking closely at various photos, I see some suspiciously pared down/Spyder Corsa-style front fenders beneath the fake front end & 458 headlights. Makes one wonder if the high-adjustability Ferrari has been going toward could one day include changeable bodywork for track or road use, depending on downforce needs.

Y'know, a P 5/6 by PF variant might be awfully nice one day! Hint, nudge...

 

2650 pounds stands out as a noble target for these two manufacturers. However achieving this lofty weight goal with expensive solutions would no doubt eat into profits. Instead they just add horsepower and hope buyers will not notice what they failed to achieve with their design compromises.
CH

 

It's hard to compare production cars that must meet all different types of world standards... As well as cater to a range of clients To that of a One off car designed for one person...

 

Great shots Edwin. I wonder if the '458' car could be used for testing the F70 engine and gearbox.

 

How over the top is this really? Ferrari would want their supercar to have significanty more power output than their GT-cruiser, which is the F12berlinetta. That one comes in at 740BHP. KERS is pretty much a given and 4-wheel drive not as far fetched as one would think, considering the FF. Cold fusion is however something else entirely

 

I don't get the constant p4/5 comparisons, one's a one of kind mod the other is a limited production car. Apples and oranges..

 

A lot really....It's pretty well known that hp will be about 900 with KERS... the 1000 therefore is well out its meant to give the idea of a Veyron beater.... All wheel drive would add too much weight and almost a ferrari no no specially for there flagship... And due to KERS has all ready taken a hit on there light weight goal?.. The complete car as a total package in both version will well out Preforme any other Current Ferrari.....

I think the cars will be outstanding but sadly I think most of us have a vision of a car with spec that just won't happened

 

Hope you're all well.

McLaren was testing his Cooper-Oldsmobile "Jolly Green Giant" (converted from Penske Cooper-Climax T53 central-seat sports) at Goodwood in late '64 when he noticed the oil tank flap in the nose was unfastened but it was lifting at speed instead of being held down by the slipstream; so he opened the bodywork out and found reduced lift. After that from 1965 all his Can-Ams and F1s had ducted noses (except the 1967 M5A F1, oddly).

The Lola GT in 1963 had small outlets on top of the nose but they weren't properly ducted (there was a coolant tank behind the rad).

The original Ford GT40 in 1964 (with styling based on the 1963 Mustang concept) had louvres on the nose but they were inadequate. It was found to have a lot of front-end lift at the Le Mans test weekend; Schlesser crashed one on the Mulsanne and Salvadori spun when the front wheels came off the ground over the hump before Mulsanne Corner. He then took team manager John Wyer out in the passenger seat to demonstrate the problem and the GRP nose clip exploded due to the internal pressure!

McLaren was also driving but he thought at the time that the handling problem was suspension-related.

By the 1964 race the holes had been opened out and a chin spoiler added, and with the definitive 1965 nose the openings were bigger and ducted (as much as they could be with the spare stowed there). Later GT40s had a big single outlet duct.

So it seems to have been an evolution that spread from different places; Lola had a big duct on the T70 in 1965 and Ferrari picked it up in 1966 with the P3.

Sorry to go so wildly OT!

Paul M

 

Thanks! Very interesting.

Best to you and Dee

 

It is 'one of a kind' by choice and not because it can't in practical terms be duplicated. Though brand new Enzo models are scarce by now.
P 4/5 is simply an evolution of the Enzo platform with more than 250 improvements that is still a 'road registered' automobile. If a privateer can do all this why can't the car company achieve a similar result a DECADE later?
CH

 

IMO, as it was custom built to a single man's specs. I think he (Napolis) mentioned that they didn;t have to follow the same rules as a production car has to, which gave them a lot more room for advancement..., it also doesn't feature a KERS system witch increased the weight by ~200+lbs.

Also I believe Ferrari did make the 3 F50 GT1 at ~900kgs 750hp...

 

Don't tease us Jim!!!! Because I quite like the idea of me someday responding at the gas pump " No it's not a -------, it's a Glickenhaus"