THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

What about this
"The Ferrari 333 SP was a sports prototype car built by Michelotto to World Sports Car regulations for Ferrari. Unveiled at the end of 1993, at the behest of amateur racer Giampiero Moretti (owner of the MOMO auto parts business), the 333 SP marked Ferrari's official return to sports car racing after a 20 year absence. The car was built to compete in the IMSA's new WSC class, which replaced the previous GTP cars.
While the 333 SP was on its planning stages, Ferrari contracted Italian motor racing chassis manufacturer Dallara to develop the chassis and tub, leaving the maker to concentrate on the engine, a version of the V12 powerplant used in the 1992 Ferrari F92A Formula One car, enlarged to 4.0*L, with power around 600*bhp (around 450*kW)."

Races. 144
Wins 56
Poles 69

Teams' Championships
1998 IMSA GT Championship
1998 FIA Sportscar Champ.
1999 FIA Sportscar Champ.
2000 FIA Sportscar Champ.
2001 FIA Sportscar Champ.

Constructors' Championships
1995 IMSA GT Championship
1998 IMSA GT Championship
2001 FIA Sportscar Champ.

Drivers' Championships
1995 IMSA GT Championship
1998 FIA Sportscar Champ.
1999 FIA Sportscar Champ.
2000 FIA Sportscar Champ.
2001 FIA Sportscar Champ.

 

Any chance we can get this thread back on track, interesting though it is?

 

Love too.... but we could really do with more spy shots or info as what we have has been well hashed out so far...

 

You either understand that 1 overall is different than 1 in class or you don't.

 

All LMP1's will be closed. It's complicated but basically only restriction will be amount of fuel one can use. Petrol/Diesel will be balanced and privateers will be given a real chance.

 

Ferrari CEO Amedeo Felisa told Automotive News that they are planning the release of their very first hybrid model in 2013. The Italians released the new powertrain for the Ferrari Enzo successor last week at the Beijing Motor Show. The news confirms the rumours that the limited-edition successor to the Enzo aka F70 is planned for next year.
The powertrain consists of a 12-cylinder engine and dual-clutch gearbox coupled to an electric motor. A second electric motor is dedicated to the auxiliary systems and is located in front of the V12. The two electric motors are connected to the batteries which can be positioned in the car in line with the available space and final configuration.

The lithium ion cells for the battery packs will be delivered by Samsung Electronics. Ferrari will produce the battery packs themselves at the factory in Modena, Italy.
Felisa said the HY-KERS system adds about 120kg to a car. They will compensate for some of that weight gain by cutting kilograms from the car’s chassis and powertrain. The CEO told the magazine that the new car’s chassis will have the same grade of carbon fiber found in Ferrari’s F1 cars. That carbon fiber is lighter and more durable than the grade already used in the Enzo’s and F50′s chassis and body.

 

Anyone got any idea on the 458 test Mule as EC was told that a V12 could not fit in there and he only ended up with a V8 in his SP12 EC.. then it's unlikely there's a v12 in the 458 mule unless that's the reason for that crazy rear camo...

 

Wait, wait, wait... Beijing Motor Show was in April, not last week. And this is a quote from an official press release released in May:

"After an extraordinary 2011, starting the year with all the economic indicators on the rise is very satisfying indeed," declared Ferrari's Chairman, Luca di Montezemolo. "We have a complete new model range brimming with technological innovations, and which deliver significant reductions in fuel consumption and emissions, down by 30 per cent on average." He continued: "At the end of the year,we'll also be unveiling the new Enzo, a limited series model and our first ever hybrid car."

Yes, that's the reason for that camo. People have seen it said that it sounds like a V12.

 

It isn't different at all. One races in the LMP1 class, one races in the GT-class. They do it on the same track, on the same day, during the same event. That LMP1 is fundamentally quicker has everything to do with the regulations and that an LMP1-class winner will therefor likely be the overall winner, doesn't mean anything at all.

So I ask you again, why is beating Toyota in LMP1 more valuable than beating Corvette, Porsche and Aston Martin in GT?

 

I know it's an old press release but people keep going on if it's a v12 so I posted it

 

OK. But when you said that it was released last week and that it will be unveiled in 2013 the first thing I thought was something like "WTF?".

 

A quote word for word that's all...

 

What a hilarious comment! Utter comedy. As has been said already, you either understand the difference between an outright win and a class win or you don't. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that the degree of engineering sophisticatio, driver quality and $ involved is exponentially higher at the front of the field. Why? Because it is harder. If it is harder, then winning must be more valuable and important - both to the manufacturers and to the public.

 

Only one more thing. The original purpose of this thred was to talk about the F70. Now you are talking about LMP1 a GTs. It's only I or this is a typical thing that should be in the racing section?

 

Talk about a hilarious comment. You obviously have nu clue as to about what I am saying and nor has Jim. So I'll try to be a little more clear.

What I am saying is that in 2012 a Ferrari won Le Mans. That they didn't win overall was simply because they weren't aiming at an overall-win, since they (or at least the privateers that choose a Ferrari for their campaign) entered the GT-class. That is their race. LMP1 is not. So, not winning LMP1 (which is usally accompanied by an overall win) doesn't take anything away from their GT win.

Is Gianmaria Bruni everything the Le Mans winner Andre Lotterer is? Of course he is.

That in LMP1 the degree of engineering and money etc. is higher then in GT is, again, because it is simply a different class with different rules, which require purpose built racingcars. Try to look for the roadversion of the Audi R18. You won't find it. It is therefor a completely different race in which the Ferrari 458 GTC didn't enter It wouldn't even be eligable to do so. They didn't participate in that race, so they never could have won it. Even if it did happen to complete more laps than any Audi R18. So the difference in engineering and budget is also no reason to take anything away from a GT-win, nor is it a reason to take anything away from Ferrari. But, if you really want to put that argument forward, be my guest. I'll reply by saying that in Formula 1 the degree of engineering and finances are (way, way) higher than in LMP1. Who is exactly leading the current Formula1 championship again and what is he driving?

And in closing, the notion that in Le Mans LMP1 carries better drivers than GT is simply misguided. Bruni is lightyears ahead of Marcel Fassler and do you really want to argue that Kazuki Nakajima is better than, let's say, Giancarlo Fisichella? As I said before, you obviously are missing the point or you just have no clue. Or both.

 

Yeah, threads get derailed when they get this length.

I stopped reading and started skimming during the Greece debate.

I'm just here for the pics.

 

If you can't understand that beating everybody is different than beating some and that Ferrari hasn't beaten everyone at Le Mans since 1965 I can't help you.

 

True.

 

Audi have beaten Toyota (and some Lola's and there was probably some Pescarolo in there somewhere as well). They haven't beaten Ferrari, or Corvette, or Porsche. They weren't in the race Audi entered. Surely you understand the concept of different classes that are run independendly from one another, with each class running within their own set of rules. You're taking this "P4/5(C) good, Ferrari bad-theme" a little bit too far imho. Denying that Ferrari has won at Le Mans in 2012 is simply ludicrous. And that is a pity, since it isn't really necessary to get your point across. But, since it is your car, your project, your money, you can say whatever you want. You have earned your bragging rights. I have no probem with that.

Now, back to the F70, which will no doubt be another benchmark in sportscar building.

 

oh wait, you also believe LMP1 drivers are per definition better than GT-drivers? Tell that to Mika Salo.

 

Ignoring the fact that a class win is a historical footnote and gets much less press, an O/A win implies a class win as well.
Two wins are better than one.

 

True.

For those who may enjoy Sports car racing and want to see how Ferrari does against Audi, BMW, Mercedes and other Sports Cars here's a live link to The 24 Hours of Spa a great race where one of my Ferrari Prototypes finished 3 OA in 1967.

http://tv.audi.de/#/01

It will likely be a while before more real information is known about the new Enzo but I'm sure when it is it will show up here.

 

That is one of the funniest comments I have read in a while.

Also, aren't all the Ferrari's that compete in the GT class at Le Mans privateer efforts? Unless I missed something, Ferrari doesn't have a "factory" team like, for example, GM does with their Corvette Racing team. (Is that right?)

So even those GT wins aren't really Ferrari wins at all, just private teams with Ferrari vehicles, which is not really the same thing. (IMO anyway)

 

In the mind of the public when a Ferrari wins Ferrari wins.
When a privateer loses its less of a blot on Ferrari.
All at a reduced cost.

 

againg with the GT3 BS... I mean seriusly from someone who knows his racing these kind of comments are laughable....GT3 is won/lost at the FIA BoP office not on racetracks, it's travesty to GT racing...

IN GTE, much highly regarded series then the GT3, or the VLN by the way, Ferrari has built the game changer with the 458 GTE...All the other cars are BoPed so they could catch up ferrari's speed....

and this is not Bench racing it's pure fact you can download from the FIA site...
http://private.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/vchp/430/$FILE/12-D0014-LMGTE-BOP.pdf?Openelement

notice the base and the adjustment, now look at the only two cars that have no performance enhancing adjustments, Ferrari 430 and ferrari 458.
with the 458 even carying 15kg of extra weight...

reason why GTE is above GT3 and VLN...
It's the only series that's a part of the FIA World Endurance Championship (which Ferrari is currently dominating), while the others are either local championships, or to some degree international, the only one that has the FIA WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP in it is GTE, and it features Le Mans...the greatest sportscar race in the world