THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

700 X 900,000

 

Left off the K.

My Bad.

 

XJ220/EB110 timing?

 

XJ220 market failure was due to Jaguar not putting in the V12, leading to customers bailing on their orders. It wasn't due to timing. The car was sold out before production began. Jaguar only have themselves to blame for that debacle.

 

It seems not. Perhaps we should do more rampant speculation on TOOL-FAN's hint of multiple model types.

Personally, I'm wondering if one model will be new EnzoXX that won't be street legal and maybe only has one seat, which would be the one offered to the people who own an XX. Then the other model would be more like the old Enzo with comfy seats etc.

 

This is exactly what I have been preaching in another thread. People were accusing me of "not getting it" when I said they were crazy for putting up with all the antics they let their dealers get away with.

Paying more than sticker price, forcing customers to buy X number of used Ferraris just so they can be put on a list to buy a new one and then letting them know ahead of time how much of a loss they will have to accept on the car when it comes time to trade it in. Allowing yourself to be taken advantage of like this is lunacy!

I suggested that they stop doing business with their local dealer for a short period of time and they would see how quickly the dealer would change their tune. I was quickly dismissed as an internet "tire-kicker" who had no idea what he was talking about.

It's just common sense. The person with the money has the power, not the person trying to sell you something.

 

Common sense is not as much of a factor in this market as it might be.

 

Until the market dries up. Then all of a sudden you will have a lot of anxious dealers with their hats in their hands.

 

Everyone's happy until the music stops.

 

Ah my friend, but remember the law of supply and demand. If supply is limited then the demand can be flipped to the supplier.

Remember this car isn't like the Aventador. Lamborghini was just bragging on a website having built 1,000 of them now. Anybody can go get an Aventador & the prices are going to tumble like a rock in a pond a few years from now.

This car will be 400-500 tops production #s?

I agree with you that the dealers shouldn't "abuse" loyal customers that way though. I think dealers who do this have flippers working for them & they have to pay those people a pretty steep price to buy a this new car then turn around and flip it to them.

 

If the price of the F70 is too high, then it won't appreciate like the Enzo has.
The MSRP of the Enzo was 650K ( I think?) and the current market is around 950K to 1.1M.

If the F70 is priced at 1.2M, as some have quoted, it is already priced high given the fact that around 500 cars will be produced.

 

This car's production run will be "limited" only to the number of cars they can sell. If anyone thinks Ferrari is going to turn down anybody lined up with cash in hand on a car this expensive, they're dreaming.

 

Exacto.

399 Enzo's?

bahahahahahaha

 

400 is Ferrari's answer (from Modena) when I pressed them on this. So I guess it doesn't matter if they made more. "Official" sources will always say 400.

 

I believe Carbon has vin #'s of over 450 Enzo's. Press on.

 

I overheard that there will be a luxury and lightweight version. Hopefully the latter is less than 3,000 lbs!

 

Maybe. Ferrari says otherwise.

 

491 confirmed Enzo's in MS data base confirmed by spotters.

Spin that.

"Named after El Commendatore, Enzo Ferrari, the Enzo is Ferraris latest bad boy on the block, combining Star Wars styling with F1 technology. Once again production was limited and Ferrari claimed only 399 Enzos were built and sold to favored clients from 2002 to 2004. However, we currently have 491 Enzos in our database, almost all of which are confirmed by various “spotters”, with more being added regularly…."

http://www.velocetoday.com/ferrari-by-sheehan-2/

 

491 untouched photos of for-sure Enzo VIN plates?

My car is #179 built in November 2003 (for-sure). 312 Enzo's built after that?

 

a bit like those zondas ey? cinque was suppose to be the very last zonda, and then what happened?

even now with the new car out, people with money can still buy a new zonda.

 

Read the cited article and search for Carbon's confirmed VIN#'s.

 

As Cindi sang "Money changes everything."

 

20% error on human observation/reporting of Enzo VINs seems reasonable.

Personally, I'll believe it when I see 491 untouched photo of for-sure Enzo VINs. I've been through this before.

I'm not a Ferrari lover, just an annoying engineer, especially when the factory records say otherwise.

 

That article has been public record for years. If it wasn't true why hasn't Ferrari Publicly refuted it?

There is no question that over the years Ferrari has swapped/restamped serial numbers and falsified identities of cars and many, including me have the records that prove that beyond the shadow of any doubt. Ferrari's revisionist history of 0858 that they publically stated a few years ago is clearly in conflict with original Le Mans documents for example which I showed to Ferrari when I went to the Factory to bid on 0858 and Ferrari very clearly stated in front of witnesses that they swapped the real identities 0856 and 0858 for Le Mans 1967 for carnet reasons. FLM had a good article this at the time of the auction that I referred to in an article I recently wrote for FML on 0846.

I personally own a Ferrari 10523 that has the same exact same serial number of a totally different Ferrari. Ferrari and others have refereed to my car as 034 but it is clearly stamped 10523 as is a different Ferrari.

 

There is photographic proof of two different Ferraris with the S/N 99999 and there two other cars that I know that have the same S/N. 400 F40s turned into 1,315 officially but even at that its 1,400+ and that doesn't count the F40s Ferrari subcontracted quietly when their production line was at capacity. Ferrari will undoubtedly build more than the official number they announce.