It is a given that with less weight and more power the F12 will outperform the 599. However the real bonus is the more compact styling package for this new F12 model. The Scuderia like the 599 GTO now was held in the same trap by the arrival of the 458. When the 458 offered similar performance numbers with less effort from the driver it did not deface the value Scuderia. The numbers generated may be similar but each model offers the driver a unique experience. Ferrari should simply be applauded for constantly producing newer model choices that offer improved performance. Quite an accomplishment when they have been designed with ever greater restrictions placed on the manufacturer by governments. CH
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Of course the 599GTB, GTO and F12 are different cars. All of which are fun to look at, own and drive. A 500K car does not make sense to me but it's all relative. And fun. Well maybe it makes sense. LOL
I've been waiting for a comparative - surprised it happened already. Every review has criticised the steering. The Telegraph also criticised the interior as not being up to spec with the price (the interior isn't great actually). To some of us the GTO is great because of the emotion/character. The F12 is definitely aimed at a new wealthy client in developing markets where those characteristics are obviously not a big element in the purchase decision. 740bhp is simply bragging rights - you can't really even use the 660bhp in the GTO on the road! But you can tell everyone what you have under the hood 740bhp - just silly actually. I think the car is a huge disappointment. It's looks are very questionable in the flesh. I've got to a point where the new cars are starting to look boring - the older models (which also appreciate) are starting to look far more interesting.
this sounds like the usual same old boring, 'the old car is better than the new car' nonsense. the reason the new cars dont look good to you is purely psychological. plain and simple. the f12 will be a much better car than a 599. they didnt build a new model to be worse!
the 'old' always have the benefit of familiarity and saturation. new designs are not surprisingly a 'jolt'. i much prefer the F12's looks over the 599
"Better", do tell us what is "better" and how is "better" defined, if you can do that perhaps your post has some purpose. Is better having higher numbers, a faster lap time, a faster 0-100 km/h time(that 62mph by the way). I dont think a driving experience is can ever be objectively defined as "better" and what one person likes another may not like, of course through all your years of experience developing high performance cars you would possibly know this. Some much prefer the more involving drive that the GTO offers and the experience that goes with that.
depends. it could be a good thing. some might find new designs too 'challenging' at first. with time and perspective, opinions evolve. and vice versa, some might find the new design a 'high' that eventually wears off...
The new models are supposed to be better: better performance, more advanced materials, improved chassis, better emissions and hopefully with a new design that is both pleasing and 'modern'. Most of the time Ferrari achieves these goals. However, people have their own favorites. Will the F12 GTO be better than the 599GTO?
At last. If you could preface all your posts in this way it would add a level of accuracy that many would find helpful old chap
Firstly who says there will be a F12 'GTO'? But even if there were to be I pose this question to you:- Is the 599 GTO better than the 288 GTO and in turn is that better than the 250 GTO? Depending on which benchmark you wish to measure by, I think you will have your answer......
I reflected on this question last week when I drove my 599GTO to the place where I picked up my 288GTO and drove it for the very first time. They are chalk and cheese. You cannot compare, there is simply no point. I am just happy that both exist
Love the front of the F12, but the rear view is definitely not a good bit of styling. The rear glass/hatch shape is horrid IMO. Pete
I cannot say that I love the front end of the car but Itoatlly agree that the rear glass hatch looks terrible.
Precisely...... Unfortunately some people do continue to compare old with new (insisting new is always better) instead of enjoying a particular car for what it is and what it represented for the time. The 599 GTO will go down as being a great car for its time, as did the 288 GTO, 250 GTO, Enzo, F40 etc etc. Its only when you add the dimension of 'time period' do any of these cars make sense in 'todays world'.
The F12 is about £70,000 GBP cheaper than the 599 GTO was which should also be taken into consideration. Both fabulous cars.
There is a major difference between cheap and value. Ferarri is going to build 6/8,000 F12's before the end of production. There are only 599 GTO's and they are ......G T O's. I think i got the better value even if I paid a little more........and there is no modern Ferarri that can give you the same driving experience.... Don,t take my word for it.. Ask EVO.
I think the new models are looking boring because they all look the same from the front. The FF and F12 have very similar styling cues and the gauge cluster as well as the area in-front of the driver in the F12 is very similar to that of the 458. I for one am a fan of Ferrari's approach in the latter half of 1990's and 2000's when each model line was starkly different from (with no shared designing cues, both interior and exterior) from every other model line.
