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  1. tx246

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    WOW! Sounds dumb, but 100% TRUE!
     
  2. Ferrari 360 CS

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    The 599GTO arrives with Classiche certification as part of the purchase.
     
  3. Motob

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    The build sheets come with the Classiche certification for an extra charge.
     
  4. Bryanp

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    thank you for clarifying, Brian
     
  5. Napolis

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    Let's see. You buy a new 599 GTO and Ferrari includes certification that it's original with the purchase. This Emperor is wearing what clothes?
     
  6. readplays

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    F-ing Absurd.
     
  7. SAFE4NOW

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    Since you state this is " 100% true " please clairify what Dealership made you provide all of this information to them?

    I ask, because on your behalf, I would be more than happy to approach their Service Director to request a refund for money paid.

    We have numerous Classiche completed and no one has ever been asked to provide their own dox's, as that is part of the confirmation process. We confirm, we document, Ferrari outlines exactly what they want, no gray area at our level.

    I would LMAO if a client asked us to certify a car based upon pictures and dox they provided... ( Not in front of them, but really? ) sounds like a joke.

    S
     
  8. Napolis

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    #133 Napolis, Aug 7, 2012
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    Let's cut to the chase. You work for an Authorised Ferrari Dealer. There are currently several 599 GTO's and 16M's for sale in the US.

    Do you think that a Classice Certification adds any value to these specific cars what so ever?

    Yes or No.
     
  9. ggjjr

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    "360,430,612's, etc are not Classiche-able. F40, 16M, 599 GTO, and vintage cars are, does that change anything though?"

    Why would a 16M be able to be certified and a 430 not?

    George
     
  10. GTE

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    That happens all the time. Buy a 1/43 handbuilt model of the 599GTO by BBR and they will issue a certificate of authenticity as well. Lot's of luxury goods come with this type of certificate, but whe Ferrari does it, it is f-ing absurd. Absurd indeed...
     
  11. GTE

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    one is limited production, other is not.
     
  12. GTE

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    the question wasn't directed at me, but I guess it depends on whoever is buying. I can also imagine that such a certificate starts to have some value when the first 16M is revealed as 430 Spider with a Scuderia bodykit.
     
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    Because you asked for a Yes or No answer:

    Yes.
     
  14. Jeff Kennedy

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    Although I do have reservations about Classiche at some point in the future there likely will need to be some way to confirm original build specifications if the window sticker and/or other documentation from Day 1 is no longer with the car. Having the ability to confirm which options and personalization choices are original and which ones sprouted could be meaningful to some.

    @ Safe for Now: Is there a guidance policy from Ferrari on cars you can Classiche in house and those that the information and/or the entire car have to be submitted to the factory?

    Jeff
     
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    Why:

    Because it's a way of confirming authenticity of a product. It's a way to certify that the product is as Ferrari first presented it. It allows potential buyers to purchase the car, knowing that it does not have aftermarket exhaust , or other non-OEM bit-n-pieces installed, that may or may not cause a problem farther down the road.

    Can it be argued that this is a really detailed Pre Purchase Inspection, sure. Everything about Ferrari is about the best, including packaging. But Classiche is more than just a PPI. You are paying for the book , the presentation, the "I have something you don't" factor.

    It's like calling the Ferrari Opus " Just a book " ( which it is a book )

    You can have a PPI ( Ferrari Opus classic edition ) or you can have Classiche ( Diamante Edition ) You chose the level of value you want to purchase.

    S

    NOTE: My comments relate to Pre-Owned 16M and/or 599 GTO's
     
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    Yes, we are provided detailed instructions on what cars may go through the Classiche process. To the best of my knowledge, we can perform the process on any Ferrari. It's up to the client if they would prefer to send their Ferrari to Italy.

    We work directly with Ferrari when performing any Classiche , so their information is our information.

    S
     
  17. GTE

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    Or like calling a Ferrari 'just a car' (whict it is, a car).
     
  18. Napolis

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    You're not answering the question.

    599 GTO's come with Classiche Certification as part of purchase price. That car car goes out into the world and may have things modified. Does the original Ferrari Classiche Certification on that specific car have any value what so ever?

    I'm not talking about the value of having a used 599GTO inspected before buying it.

    Yes or No?
     
  19. wbaeumer

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    #144 wbaeumer, Aug 7, 2012
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    Jim,
    I share your sceptical view on this. But this was done by Ferrari (and Maserati > see photo) since many moons.

    We both know historic cars that were sold with a "Certificato di Origine" since the mid-50s!

    IMO this means nothing - its only states that the car was original in the moment it was sold new to the customer. Later and with lots of modifications or replaced parts etc., the car still exists - but is it still "original"? This original document is great and a nice-to-have but it doesn`t mean anything on valuable terms to a car 10, 20 or 30 years later! Facts are facts - but paper is only paper!
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  20. Napolis

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    #145 Napolis, Aug 7, 2012
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    Yes I have one of those signed by Mr. Ferrari for 002 in 1947 but as things do happen I'd recommend that anyone wanting to buy it from me do their own research. As it's not for sale it's a moot point but none of my cars are or will ever be Classiched.

    Here's a serious question. Who do you think has more original data and information on 002.

    Ferrari or me?

    How about Bryan's Dad's car?

    I'd bet on Bryan...

    (I have given the Factory copies of some but not all of my data)

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    Ferrari Classiche Video.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmvdZ8t71IE[/ame]
     
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    Yes.

    It does, to the buyer. I think the buyer is the person to answer this question though. Does it add value to the buyer?

    I think it does, the purchaser thinks it does, you do not, the person who buys it from you thinks it does, the person who purchases it from them does not, and so on...

    While I feel that it's up to the seller of Classiche to present the value ,ultimately it's up to the current purchaser what "monetary value" it holds.

    S
     
  24. CornersWell

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  25. miurasv

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    Rolex watches with the original guarantee and/or chronometer certificate or a Patek Philippe with its Certificate of Origin can be worth up to double that of the same watch without. In the case of a Double Red Sea Dweller that's a lot of money.
     

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