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  1. The Red Baron

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P9PAjkWolY[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sup-3RGnqSA&feature=related[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1GBBFv8hPI&feature=relmfu[/ame]
     
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    #128 miurasv, Aug 3, 2012
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    This one is so funny. '....It's got fins on it!!!...." LOL!!

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe6ze5m3lqU[/ame]

    Very short vid but great sound with engine on full cam.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBdr_stYOTs[/ame]
     
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    #130 miurasv, Aug 5, 2012
    One adavantage that quite a few people mention about the steel bodied SWB is that it's less prone to picking up dents and cracks in the bodywork and stays fresher looking for longer. James Cottingham of DK Engineering talks about this in the August, 2011 Classic & Sportscar article. I wonder if the TdF, being alloy bodied, is as prone to this as the alloy SWB? The TdF is a heavier car than the steel SWB so is perhaps the body made from a thicker gauge alloy than that of the SWB?

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFewkoIEcWU&feature=endscreen[/ame]
     
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    #131 miurasv, Aug 5, 2012
    1 louvre TdF and steel SWB from about 6.00.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndXIwc7rkdI[/ame]
     
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    #132 275GTBSaran, Aug 8, 2012
    Is it me or the TDF just does not look good in red. I much prefer the SWB in this video, so I think color plays an important role in the car. I love the TDF in silver, or the dark blue, yellow combination I have seen. Having said that I also think the SWB looks not ideal in red. So much for red being the dream color for Ferrari....
     
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    #133 miurasv, Aug 8, 2012
    Colour preference is a very personal thing and it does depend on the car. You're right, lots of Ferraris don't look good in red, to me anyway. Not to everyone's taste, yellow is my favorite colour for many Ferraris. I do like to see the SWB and TdF with the stripes and roundells. I remember about 25 years ago I was riding my Suzuki GSXR 750 and giving it hell when I saw the dark blue and white striped with roundells ex Rob Walker/Stirling Moss 250 GT SWB c/n 2735GT in my home town in Wales and it looked so stunning I almost lost control of the bike.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-om8zY_YVqI[/ame]
     
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    #134 miurasv, Aug 9, 2012
    ...and now for something completely different. I was wondering what you think of the Boxer? I absolutely love them.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLiz9lKX0hM[/ame]
     
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    #135 275GTBSaran, Aug 9, 2012
    I am not a converted fan yet. I think they are interesting. However if non-v12 then I clearly prefer the Dino. However Ferrari for me should be v12 ideally. I am more a 50-60's person than 1970-80's car person. So the short answer: No. But perhaps one day I will....
     
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    #136 275GTBSaran, Aug 9, 2012
    Btw I fully agree with you. Ferrari's look fantastic in yellow. I especially love the 275 GTB/4 in yellow fly gallo. Its a dream. But also a 250 TR looks good in yellow as does a SWB. Dino's also look good in yellow as does 375mm spyder as well as 500 TRC. The only car I find does not look great in yellow is the TDF. So yellow is great I agree!
     
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    #137 amenasce, Aug 9, 2012
    Boxers are amazing. And they are a bargain at $120-150k considering a Dino is 2 times that price with half of everything.
     
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    #138 275GTBSaran, Aug 9, 2012
    The reason boxers are much less comes down to one simple thing called supply.
    They made too many of them which results in them being priced the way they are. I am sure the are interesting. I have to drive one and then decide if I like them.
     
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    #139 miurasv, Aug 9, 2012
    I agree.
     
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    #140 miurasv, Aug 9, 2012
    They are a bargain at the moment although I can't see this situation lasting forever. You spoke of the market correcting itself and I think it will correct itself upwards in the case of the Boxer. Yes, there were around 2400 Boxers made but in that figure there were only 387 365 versions. Remember there were over 3700? Dinos made and these are getting expensive. Of course everyone will love the Boxer when they are expensive.

    I too love the Dino. A prettier car there has never been and the Boxer is just absolutely beautiful. These are my must have Ferrari along with the Daytona and the one you have already, the 275 GTB/4. With the market as it is the TdF will be a big risk, but with it you could potentially have massive gains, even on their current prices as only 77 were made and that they were competition cars makes them very interesting, but also large sums of money could be lost too. You of course know this already.
     
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    #141 amenasce, Aug 9, 2012
    If supply was the only factor, then Dinos would be cheaper as they made +50% more Dinos than Boxers. (23xx vs 37xx).

    I guess they are not old enough to command big bucks yet,.
     
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    #142 miurasv, Aug 9, 2012
    I know it's not the point and you must have thought already that you can buy lots of fabulous cars including multiple extremely desirable Ferraris for the purchase price of one TdF or SWB Berlinetta.

    My source says there were 2487 x Dino 246GT, 1274 x 246GTS so that's 3761 x 246 of both types and with the 152 x 206GT a grand total of 3913?

    Boxer = 387 x 365GT4 BB, 929 x BB512 Carb and 1007 x BBi so a total of 2323?
     
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    #143 ggjjr, Aug 9, 2012
    I, for one, just don't understand the Dino's pricing, lately. If you'd have told anyone into these cars in the 70's, 80's or '90's that Dinos would be twice+ the price of a Boxer, or six times that of a 308, you'd have been laughed at. I actually looked for a 308 instead of a Dino even though they were priced similarly for many reasons.
    My gut feeling is that Dinos are being bought for their looks, and not their performance.

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    #144 miurasv, Aug 9, 2012
    You're right, there is a huge disparity in prices but the Dino is just so absolutely gorgeous to look at but I would much prefer a Boxer. The Boxer is just in a different league performance wise and is just more car with its flat 12 engine. The Dino is the prettiest road car ever made imo but the Boxer is the more beautiful and looks faster if you can understand my thinking. I want one of each. Of the Dinos, the alloy bodied and full alloy engined 206 is probably the one to go for with only 152 being made and allegedly only 15bhp less than the 300 pounds heavier 246.
     
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    #145 amenasce, Aug 9, 2012
    I agree. It's a beautiful car but $350k is a lot of money and you can buy some amazing car(s).

    I know my $ would go towards a Daytona or a BBi+Countach.
     
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    #146 275GTBSaran, Aug 9, 2012
    Ok I was not aware that only so few boxers were made. I thought 308 and 328 are also boxers and I know many thousands of those were made. I know I can buy many desirable cars for one TDF and one SWB. But I want to buy important and few cars rather than many cars just for the sake of owning many models of a certain brand.
     
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    #147 275GTBSaran, Aug 9, 2012
    Finally the Video from RM.

    14 Louver TDF 1956
    Absolutely stunning.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GVhEDI7KRY&list=PLB8E0E43B97A862B8&index=1&feature=plcp[/ame]
     
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    #150 275GTBSaran, Aug 9, 2012
    Well I have not 100% completely made up my mind. I am leaning more towards the TDF simply because I think its more elegant and more of a connoisseur's choice. It has so much history and is arguably the most important Ferrari of the 1950's. Its a road car but yet also a competition car (well same for a SWB). Perhaps one member said it best in one of the posts of this discussion: With a TDF - no one will ever question weather it is real or not, but with a 250 SWB there are apparently many replica's. I like that argument. Not that replica's should bother me too much though (after all the 250 GTO is perhaps the most copied of them all). I also like that the TDF is rarer than the SWB.

    Its really difficult and I think it might be best if I got to drive both cars. There are days were I wake up in the morning and like the TDF better, but then I see a video of SWB and think- damn- thats a fine looking machine. So the conclusion so far: A slight bias towards the TDF because of its richer history but I have not made up my mind yet....
     
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