THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

Most of the people on the list probably aren't to bothered about a car that could be quicker in race conditions, nor will they mind the inherent weight of a KERS-system. It is just an engineerings choice with the pro's and cons that go with it.

Any car at the level of the F70 and P12 will be downright amazing.

 

makes sense, some of the F1 discussion, has been how mclaren is ahead of others in this tech area ...the 918 i think is typically porsche, and complex solution to a problem, but cool none the less

Ferrari is (or has to) harken some of it's heritage/image in the new F70, so it goes to say that they aren't able to be quite as "all out" performance envelope as mclaren can be in similar project P12, thus V12 vs V8, and other certain qualities ....i don't put much stock in all the student and concept internet drawings about either, both will be amazing machines to be sure

 

The P12 could race in EXP 1 Hybrid for the FIA world Championship Alternate Energy Cup and at The 24 Hours of Nurburgring and The 24 Hours of SPA and other races.

I doubt the New Enzo will as with a V 12 it would be too fuel inefficient.

 

True, True.

 

What about given the old F1?

That car, regardless of it's "dated" performance, is still probably in most gearheads' list of top five, if not top three, best supercars ever. Mclaren have a short history of production cars, and 50% of that list is one of the best cars ever built.

If McLaren build a car that is 75% as successful (public image and performance) as the old F1, it'll probably be the car of the decade, F70 or no.

 

This is another time.

Post-Veyron years...

I don't think the new McLaren will have even half of the hype the old car did. Different circumstances.

Not that I think it will be unremarkable. On the contrary. But we live in a different world now, and the benchmark for downright insanity in automotive engineering is the Bugatti. I happen to dislike it intensely, but there you go.

On the other hand, seems like the 80's were all about hitting 200mph (959 vs. F40) , the 90's were all about the best race car for the road (Remember not only the F1, but the GLK-GTR, Porsche 911 GT1, and to some extent the F50 & XJ220), the 2000's were about hitting crazy speeds (up to 250mph) in comfort and style and not so much about racing (Koenigsegg never raced significantly, neither did the Enzo, and Pagani very superficially)...the 2010's seem to be about the hybrids.. we'll see what happens with 918, F70, P12, the new Jag....

 

Both f70 and p12 will be amazing. Both companies have excellent intel on what the competition are up to, so they would have to be seriously suicidal to bring such a product to market that isn't able to cut it. Sure there will be differences in the styling and character of these cars, but I wouldn't expect performance to be significantly different from one to the other. It is clear that Ferrari is having to work hard on the F70 - much harder than it probably would if McLaren were not around- but that is only a good thing for owners and admirers alike. One thing is for sure- we are in for a very interesting last quarter!

 

i like it!!

 

Found this today...

McLaren MD Antony Sheriff has*declared*V12 engines a thing of the past. Just as the new McLaren F1 and Ferrari F70 are about to be revealed.

Seemingly out of the blue, McLaren’s Managing Director, Antony Sherfiff, has declared V12 engines the stuff of automotive history.
“The V12 engine is a thing of the past. The engine belongs in a museum”, said Sheriff in conversation with Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf’s Autovisio.
Sheriff went on to say that it’s almost impossible to efficiently develop a V12 engine that meets the needs of customers and government*regulation; V12s are too heavy, too big and emit around 30 per cent more CO2 than a similarly powerful blown V8.
But what prompted such a statement, and at this particular juncture?
Perhaps the clue is in the imminent arrival of the new McLaren F1, a hypercar successor to the (V12 powered) McLaren F1 of the 1990s? As we know, the new F1 will get a twin turbo V8 with something around 800bhp and a hybrid KERS boost to take output close to 1,000bhp.
McLaren were planning to reveal the new F1 at Pebble Beach this month, but they’re now rethinking that plan. Why? Hard to say, but perhaps plans by Ferrari to do the same for the new Enzo – the Ferrari F70 – have a lot to do with when the new F1 will get revealed?
The new Ferrari F70 will get a V12, despite Ferrari almost opting for a twin turbo V8 in their new hypercar. And it’s almost certain that the F70 will get a private showing at Pebble and a public debut at Paris. That would pitch both hypercars on the same stage at the same time, ultimately stealing both their thunder and, perhaps, plenty of column inches about the Ferrari being a ‘real’ hypercar with a V12, and the new McLaren F1 nothing but a pretender.
Firing an early salvo at the old-school V12 in the Ferrari is McLaren’s way of paving the way for their sales pitch for the new F1 as a modern hypercar, not an old-fashioned*dinosaur*like the Ferrari F70.

 

I think we are in for a fantastic era of supercar perfection.

The competition between the different manufacturers is just immense.

 

I'm quite sure that the F70 will not be perceived as a dinosaur. Maybe it will be seen as the last true supercar of its kind - a proper thoroughbred?

I'm hoping for a private unveiling of the car at Pebble Beach. I can hardly wait to see how the final car will end up looking. It is interesting that both the F70 and the P12 are said to have styling cues from Jim Glickenhaus' P4/5. That car has just had a huge impact, especially considering it is a one-off.

 

New photo of Ferrari F70

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That is still not a fact. That is a guesstimate!


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My guesstimate is that they will be roughly the same weight. A N/A V12 could be the same weight as a turbocharged V8, which is ridden with the extra weight of turbos, intercoolers and piping.

In any case, it would be prudent to wait for the final figures before claiming imaginary facts either way.

 

Really? Don't you think it is typical Ferrari to put heritage/image aside and do go all out on performance and aerodynamic efficiency? Surely the Enzo isn't held back by references to past Ferrari's. Nor is the F50. Sure, the F40 does take some styling cues from the 308/328, but that was more out of necessity and doesn't limit the car at all. Plus, a super Ferrari doesn't need to have a V12, F40 being case in point.

 

Thanks. The rear looks very wide.

 

Mclaren know how build light cars, mp4-12c is over eighty kilos lighter than 458

 

I am really looking forward to seeing both.

A non visual perspective that im very interested in is will the Ferrari have a suspension system with results similar to Mclarens. That is will the 'new Enzo' ride/perform as well over a wide variety of surfaces as the Mclaren.

 

I think that Mclaren want to "steal the show" that's why they want to make premiere of their new car as soon as is possible

 

Given that the 12C has a CF chassis and the 458 an aluminium one, it's a feat for the Ferrari to be this close in weight.

 

Does anyone know, or have a feel on when the "F70" will be revealed? - 2012 Paris Mondial de l'Automobile?

 

Weak sauce.

 

Once again I am reminded of my total dislke for McLaren, you dont see Porsche, Ferrari coming out with statements like this which reek of utter arrogance and "We are always right", simple fact is McLaren dont have a V12 so of course they are going to say its not the route to go.

If I were in this market I simply would not accept a turbo V8 in a car costing big money and I suspect many others will think the same.

 

P12 Paris.

New Enzo was planned for Geneva but may push up to Paris.

Antony is correct. The New Enzo's V12 is simply bigger penis.

The P12's TT V8 is lighter, and much more fuel efficient which based on the ACO 2014 LMP1 rules is the way to go. A TT V8 is also much shorter which enables you to optimise wheelbase.

Ferrari has never led with cutting edge technology. Enzo was wrong about disk brakes, front engines, and aero being for those who can't build powerful engines.

Luca is wrong about V 12's being the cutting edge for Hypercars.

The bad things stay the same.

 

Sooner or later, normally aspirated cars will die, because fuel efficiency rules the world.

Although truth must be told, everybody knows that the feel and the sound of turbo engines is not the same. I'm not going to say that it's worse, but it's not the same.

Let's enjoy the moment, with those California mules with turbo running around Fiorano, I'd bet that this one probably will be the last Ferrari V12.

 

A true big like a house. But the "magic" of the V12 is undeniable.

And yes, Enzo was a bit "bigmouth". He created one of his biggest rivals, Lamborghini, with the only help of his enormous mouth.